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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 01/30/2010 : 06:07:37 [Permalink]
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Bob Herbert eulogizes.
Mr. Zinn was often taken to task for peeling back the rosy veneer of much of American history to reveal sordid realities that had remained hidden for too long. When writing about Andrew Jackson in his most famous book, “A People’s History of the United States,” published in 1980, Mr. Zinn said:
“If you look through high school textbooks and elementary school textbooks in American history, you will find Jackson the frontiersman, soldier, democrat, man of the people — not Jackson the slaveholder, land speculator, executioner of dissident soldiers, exterminator of Indians.”
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2010 : 14:13:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Bob Herbert eulogizes.
Mr. Zinn was often taken to task for peeling back the rosy veneer of much of American history to reveal sordid realities that had remained hidden for too long. When writing about Andrew Jackson in his most famous book, “A People’s History of the United States,” published in 1980, Mr. Zinn said:
“If you look through high school textbooks and elementary school textbooks in American history, you will find Jackson the frontiersman, soldier, democrat, man of the people — not Jackson the slaveholder, land speculator, executioner of dissident soldiers, exterminator of Indians.”
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That seems to sum up Zimm. He added the kind of events which are only rarely mentioned in histories, the history of poor oppressed and rich oppressors, and which are almost universally kept out of public school textbooks. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 04:53:45 [Permalink]
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| I haven't verified that this is complete, but someone put up the People's History of the United States on the web: http://www.historyisaweapon.com/zinnapeopleshistory.html |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
1487 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 08:49:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Bob Herbert eulogizes.
Mr. Zinn was often taken to task for peeling back the rosy veneer of much of American history to reveal sordid realities that had remained hidden for too long. When writing about Andrew Jackson in his most famous book, “A People’s History of the United States,” published in 1980, Mr. Zinn said:
“If you look through high school textbooks and elementary school textbooks in American history, you will find Jackson the frontiersman, soldier, democrat, man of the people — not Jackson the slaveholder, land speculator, executioner of dissident soldiers, exterminator of Indians.”
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Andrew "Trail of Tears" Jackson creeps me out. I hope his portrait gets replaced on the US$20 bill before too long.
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astropin
SFN Regular
USA
970 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 10:24:52 [Permalink]
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All I can really add is that so far I side completely with HalfMooner.
I do not think there is ALWAYS a BETTER alternative than war. Sometimes you have to FIGHT for what's right. And let's not get into semantics about how, what, or who decides what's right. Hitler was wrong and had to be stopped....period. Hell, his own officers tried to kill him. Slavery is wrong and the South was not going to stop it without blood being spilled....period. (IMHO). |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 10:32:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by astropin
All I can really add is that so far I side completely with HalfMooner.
I do not think there is ALWAYS a BETTER alternative than war. Sometimes you have to FIGHT for what's right. And let's not get into semantics about how, what, or who decides what's right. Hitler was wrong and had to be stopped....period. Hell, his own officers tried to kill him. Slavery is wrong and the South was not going to stop it without blood being spilled....period. (IMHO).
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I don't know about always either. But was the cause of the civil war slavery? Did the U.S. get into WWII because they were against Hitler's murderous activities? |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Robert Hunter
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astropin
SFN Regular
USA
970 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 13:00:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
I don't know about always either. But was the cause of the civil war slavery? Did the U.S. get into WWII because they were against Hitler's murderous activities?
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We could probably argue till the end of the earth (2012) and still not agree on ALL of the possible causes. Me, I'm sticking with slavery (and secession which was being pushed primarily due to slavery) and Hitler's murderous activities yes.
Regardless if those where the actual primary reasons or not they were still both things that needed to change immediately and using military force appeared to be the only realistic route. (Again...IMHO) |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
Infinitus est numerus stultorum |
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