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Bill scott
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 Posted - 03/02/2010 : 19:37:11 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse |
| What is pertinent to the "white enclave" statement is the racial mix in the surrounding area. If the mix is homogeneously 95.3-to-2.2% within 100 km radius, then HalfMooner would be hard pressed to infer racism. But if the population is relatively homogeneous 50-50 or even 75% Caucasian with a normalised distribution within those numbers, then a 95+% ratio will indeed be significant. |
So if a black women leaves Harlem to go protest GWB I can call her a racist, or at the least imply possible racism, simply because she comes from Harlem? That is what HM has done to the tea bagger.
| False dichotomy. It could also be that intelligent people realise that you are misinterpreting HalfMooner's concern that there are still too many racists in your country, and that these people are dumb enough to be played by the corporations. |
Now you are into the false accusations as well!?!? (sigh) I never once challenged HM's belief that there are too many racist in the country. I challenged his false accusations of racism that he flippantly throws around anyone who dares questions BO’s policy. I also laugh at his obsession with BO's skin color.
| I'm (not) surprised that you missed this but... HalfMooner presented a false dichotomy to you. You could actually be both. |
Yet neither he nor you have presented any evidence in favor of either.
Dude is obsessed with the fact that BO is black. He can't look past it even though so many others can.
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"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/02/2010 : 19:42:46 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by HalfMooner |
| Just a quickie for Bill: I'm not angry for being called "baldy." Honest. I'm not sensitive about that. |
Good for you. Superficial is so overrated.
| Unlike Bible folks, I would not call upon a deity to send two she-bears to slaughter you for your mockery, as did Elisha. I think you resorted to this ad homin in your desperate poverty of argument, and with intent to show hatred. |
Hatred? Towards whom? I don’t hate bald people as I am not far behind you.
| My closing insult in my response to your attack was flavored with the bitter bile of being called a racist by the likes of you. |
I thought I already explained this. I simply used you as an example of how easy it is to throw out ridicules accusations without any merit. In other words, I fully admitted beforehand that my statement concerning you was a ridicules accusation without any merit.
| Nobody's perfect, and both overt and covert racism has formed part of the cultural heritage of many people, especially white people in the USA. |
I see racist people of every color and I also see good folks of every color. I am not sure on what basis you claim whites, overall, are more racist then other colors? Me, I call them as I see them.
| But long ago when I was just 17 years old, I was active in the Civil Rights movement, and helped to break the bar that Bank of America imposed against hiring black employees for jobs that would put them in contact with the public. |
That still does not give you the right to call anybody who disagrees with BO’s policy, and also and happens to live south of the MD line, a racist. You paint with a wide brush, you know this, right?
| Your "I know I am but what are you?" argument in this context is a classic ploy used by racists. As such, it is racist. That's why I was, and am, pissed -- not because I am pining for my long, flowing golden locks. I don't miss them at all... (sob!) |
I have no idea what you are talking about here.
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"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/02/2010 : 20:13:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Can't... stop... myself...Originally posted by Bill scott
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Your spelling is ridiculous.
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Now that might be an accusation with some merit. A first for the thread.
Well really the second. My accusation of HM making false accusations has proved to be spot on, again. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Posted - 03/02/2010 : 21:10:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by Dave W.
Can't... stop... myself...Originally posted by Bill scott
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Your spelling is ridiculous.
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Now that might be an accusation with some merit. A first for the thread.
Well really the second. My accusation of HM making false accusations has proved to be spot on, again.
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Speaking of false accusations, you've not replied to my demand that you back up your claim that I'd repeatedly said you were a racist. My memory is that, prior to this thread, I implied ONCE that you were a racist. You objected and Dave W. objected. I then calmed down, collected my wits, realized I'd done you an injustice and humbly and sincerely apologized to you.
At that time, Bill, you said you accepted my apology.
Now in this thread, you not only brought that one regretted incident again, but you also multiply it by an unknown number. Show me where I've repeatedly called you a racist prior to this thread.
If you don't or can't, you stand as a liar for all to see, Bill.
Then you openly called me a racist. That, too, is bearing false witness and you know it, Bill. I don't want your worthless apology, Bill. I want to show you for what you are, a dishonest McCarthy style fundy ideologue who'll say anything to smear your "enemies," because, like Joe McCarthy, you have no evidence. |
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Posted - 03/02/2010 : 23:56:13 [Permalink]
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From the Southern Poverty Law Center:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/spring/rage-on-the-right
| The anger seething across the American political landscape — over racial changes in the population, soaring public debt and the terrible economy, the bailouts of bankers and other elites, and an array of initiatives by the relatively liberal Obama Administration that are seen as "socialist" or even "fascist" — goes beyond the radical right. The "tea parties" and similar groups that have sprung up in recent months cannot fairly be considered extremist groups, but they are shot through with rich veins of radical ideas, conspiracy theories and racism. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 06:25:51 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by HalfMooner |
| Speaking of false accusations, you've not replied to my demand that you back up your claim that I'd repeatedly said you were a racist. My memory is that, prior to this thread, I implied ONCE that you were a racist. You objected and Dave W. objected. I then calmed down, collected my wits, realized I'd done you an injustice and humbly and sincerely apologized to you. |
I don't have the knowledge on how to search the archives and past conversation of these threads. If I PM you would you give some tips as I am sure there must be a way. But anyway, just in the last two threads that I have spoken with you alone you have falsely and flippantly accused me of being a racist as well as anyone who lives south of Ohio and questions BO's policy. Somehow you believe that whites, in general, are a more racist color and you have a obsessive compulsive fixation with the fact that BO is black. It's not hard to establish a pattern with you.
| At that time, Bill, you said you accepted my apology. |
I still do. My question is why do you continue to make these baseless and flippant claims against others in light of the hard lesson you just had to go through not so very long ago because of your flippant accusations? It's like you apologized for bomb throwing and then went right back to your bomb throwing?!?!?!
| Now in this thread, you not only brought that one regretted incident again, but you also multiply it by an unknown number. Show me where I've repeatedly called you a racist prior to this thread. |
You falsely called me a racist and any person south of Ohio who did not vote for BO a racist in just the last two threads. Right there alone is repeatable evidence that you are a bomb thrower with the racist label.
| If you don't or can't, you stand as a liar for all to see, Bill. |
Your a irresponsible bomb thrower who tosses around the racist label flippantly because he thinks he can because he marched when he was 17. Your nothing but a white Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Try and shake people down by flippantly playing the race card over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
| Then you openly called me a racist. That, too, is bearing false witness and you know it, Bill. I don't want your worthless apology, Bill. |
Good because I never apologized to you.
| I want to show you for what you are, a dishonest McCarthy style fundy ideologue who'll say anything to smear your "enemies," because, like Joe McCarthy, you have no evidence. |
Oh good grief do I have to go through this again!?!?!?! I fully admitted, at the time I made the racist accusation about you, that my accusation was baseless and without merit just to demonstrate how easy being a bomb thrower was. You then completely ignore the context of my statement and cherry pick the part where I call you a racist and then start ranting on how now I have falsely accused you of being a racist. I FULLY ACKNOWLEDGED AT THE TIME THAT I MADE THE ACCUSATION AGAINST YOU THAT IT WAS A BASELESS ACCUSATION AND HAD NO MERIT. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 07:41:26 [Permalink]
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It seems to me that the tea idiocy started up and went stark, raving mad very soon after Obama was elected by a considerable margin. I said then that there is a black man in the White House and they just can't stand it. I have seen nothing since that would cause me to retract that statement.
The news media loves them some teabaggers and show clips of them every chance they get, so the next time you see one, count the blacks & Hispanics in the crowd. I have seen exactly one black man and suspect that he was a plant for the photograph. I have not seen any Hispanics at all.
They wrap themselves in an illusion of patriotism, yet their sole purpose is the destruction of the Obama Presidency, and in my book, that smacks of treason.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 13:34:23 [Permalink]
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| It seems to me that the tea idiocy started up and went stark, raving mad very soon after Obama was elected by a considerable margin. |
Just as the right did for Carter and Clinton, who were white.
| I said then that there is a black man in the White House and they just can't stand it. I have seen nothing since that would cause me to retract that statement. |
So even though the hard right could not stand Carter or Clinton either this time it has nothing to do with the president's policy and is only about his race just because you say so? Your blowing smoke.
| The news media loves them some teabaggers and show clips of them every chance they get, so the next time you see one, count the blacks & Hispanics in the crowd. I have seen exactly one black man and suspect that he was a plant for the photograph. I have not seen any Hispanics at all. |
I see no Hispanics and few white boys in the NBA, is this a racist association? I see few white people on BET, is that a racist network? Can I call anybody and everybody from Harlem, New York who did not vote for a Bush a racist? According to your logic I can.
| They wrap themselves in an illusion of patriotism, yet their sole purpose is the destruction of the Obama Presidency, and in my book, that smacks of treason. |
Even if this were true is says nothing about racism. The hard right wanted to destroy Carter and Clinton just as bad as they do Obama and they were white. You, HM, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson could all use a lesson on what qualifies as racism. Living south of Ohio and voting for John McCain does not, by default, make you a racist. No matter how bad HM and yourself would like it to. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 13:51:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
It seems to me that the tea idiocy started up and went stark, raving mad very soon after Obama was elected by a considerable margin. I said then that there is a black man in the White House and they just can't stand it. I have seen nothing since that would cause me to retract that statement.
The news media loves them some teabaggers and show clips of them every chance they get, so the next time you see one, count the blacks & Hispanics in the crowd. I have seen exactly one black man and suspect that he was a plant for the photograph. I have not seen any Hispanics at all.
They wrap themselves in an illusion of patriotism, yet their sole purpose is the destruction of the Obama Presidency, and in my book, that smacks of treason.
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I am a part of the local reptilian club here in my town that operates through the local zoo. Probably have meet close to 30 members now and not one of them has been a Hispanic or a black. According to your logic then we must conclude that the local reptilian club is racist and has roots in the KKK. If not then where are all the blacks? |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 13:58:35 [Permalink]
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Does the opening speaker at the recent Tea Party convention being cheered for calling for a return to Jim Crow laws and deploring multiculturalism count as racism, Bill?
John McCain's daughter seems to think so. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 14:12:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Does the opening speaker at the recent Tea Party convention being cheered for calling for a return to Jim Crow laws and deploring multiculturalism count as racism, Bill?
John McCain's daughter seems to think so.
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Give me something to referance here and I will be glad to take a look at it and offer my comments.
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 14:48:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Give me something to referance here and I will be glad to take a look at it and offer my comments. |
Here you go, Bill, at least as far as the voting laws go.
I can't find a complete transcript or video of Tancredo's speech. Perhaps the Tea Party's not so happy about it, after all. Well, CNN reports:Judson Phillips, a Tennessee lawyer who formed Tea Party Nation and who organized what's being billed as the first national Tea Party Convention, told reporters Friday that "Tom Tancredo gave a fantastic speech last night. I think he is an amazing politician." While Mark Skoda, founder of the Memphis Tea Party, said, "it doesn't further the dialogue." Perhaps not, but it's letting everyone know where it's coming from. |
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Posted - 03/03/2010 : 17:26:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by filthy
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| It seems to me that the tea idiocy started up and went stark, raving mad very soon after Obama was elected by a considerable margin. |
Just as the right did for Carter and Clinton, who were white.
| I said then that there is a black man in the White House and they just can't stand it. I have seen nothing since that would cause me to retract that statement. |
So even though the hard right could not stand Carter or Clinton either this time it has nothing to do with the president's policy and is only about his race just because you say so? Your blowing smoke.
| The news media loves them some teabaggers and show clips of them every chance they get, so the next time you see one, count the blacks & Hispanics in the crowd. I have seen exactly one black man and suspect that he was a plant for the photograph. I have not seen any Hispanics at all. |
I see no Hispanics and few white boys in the NBA, is this a racist association? I see few white people on BET, is that a racist network? Can I call anybody and everybody from Harlem, New York who did not vote for a Bush a racist? According to your logic I can.
| They wrap themselves in an illusion of patriotism, yet their sole purpose is the destruction of the Obama Presidency, and in my book, that smacks of treason. |
Even if this were true is says nothing about racism. The hard right wanted to destroy Carter and Clinton just as bad as they do Obama and they were white. You, HM, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson could all use a lesson on what qualifies as racism. Living south of Ohio and voting for John McCain does not, by default, make you a racist. No matter how bad HM and yourself would like it to.
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The far left, including myself, loathed and despised that senile, old douche, Reagan, who was also white. So what? And basketball, et al., has nothing to do with teabaggers.
I have voiced an opinion based upon my observations. Currently, I see nothing on the horizon that might cause me to change it.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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