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Ricky
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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 Posted - 03/23/2010 : 06:08:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
In Sweden, a government agency is the middle-man, and overhead is less than 1% !!! |
Do you have a reference for that figure? I have not seen any numbers from here before.
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I'm pretty sure I've posted it here on this forum before. I'm at work now, and have little time to search for it. But I'll try to dig it up.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/23/2010 : 07:26:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
There has been a lot of talk about states taking this law to court today too. Most of it based on some fantasy notion that the government can't force you to buy a "good or service". Which is completely bullshit. I'm pretty sure I am forced to pay for the services rendered by medicare... |
Medicare is actually administered by the states, and so I think you can "choose" different benefits just by moving.| ...and social security... |
Yeah, but that's not buying anything, it's forced savings.| ...and things like auto insurance... |
No insurance is needed if you keep your vehicle on private property at all times. The deal there is, "if you use publicly funded roads, you must have insurance."| ...seat belts(seat belt laws mandate that seatbelts be installed in cars, forcing me to buy only cars with seatbelts installed)... |
But nobody is forcing you to buy a car at all.| ...flood insurance for my house if I still have a bank note on it.... |
Actually, that's the bank itself making that demand. They'd be stupid not to. No local or state laws are needed, the banks simply won't lend you money if you don't have insurance.| ...there is a long list of stuff the government forces me to buy. |
As noted by an NPR reporter this morning, there's nothing quite like the "personal mandate," which is what is giving the states "wiggle room" in courts of law. There will definitely be a lot of court action over these bills, and if they're declared constitutional, we'll see a whole bunch of "activist judges" nonsense and accusations that once-loved-by-conservatives judges are now commie liberals. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 03/23/2010 : 08:03:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Medicare is actually administered by the states, and so I think you can "choose" different benefits just by moving. |
No, the Social Security Administration is in charge of that (they are sent me the forms, as I'm just becoming eligible this summer). You're thinking of Medicaid, Dave. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/23/2010 : 10:10:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
No, the Social Security Administration is in charge of that (they are sent me the forms, as I'm just becoming eligible this summer). You're thinking of Medicaid, Dave. |
Ooops. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2010 : 10:31:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
In Sweden, a government agency is the middle-man, and overhead is less than 1% !!! |
Do you have a reference for that figure? I have not seen any numbers from here before.
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I was wrong. Last time I posted the number it was 2.2% (posted in the thread about 'Sicko'). Since my source was in Swedish, I didn't bother to link it (sloppy me) since no one active in that thread could read it. I regret it now, because it would have been handy.
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 03/23/2010 : 13:07:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I was wrong. Last time I posted the number it was 2.2% (posted in the thread about 'Sicko'). Since my source was in Swedish, I didn't bother to link it (sloppy me) since no one active in that thread could read it. I regret it now, because it would have been handy. |
Ok, I'll have to see for myself. Thanks anyway! |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2010 : 03:00:15 [Permalink]
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Sigh. GOP Senators have found what appear to be two minor errors in the House-passed, "fix-it" bill that was supposed to be passed by the Senate in order to incorporate language that the House of Representatives wanted in the final legislation. So we still have the original Senate-written law that was signed by the President and passed unchanged by the House, but the Republicans have managed to force another House vote on the House's own modifications.
I really hate watching sausage being made. |
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 10:13:46 [Permalink]
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Still a lot of uniformed people out there. My wife is an RN at a local public hospital. She came home last night telling me that everyone expects their cost of health coverage to go up as a result of health reform. That didn't surprise me, but I reminded her that heath care cost have been going up by double digits for the last 10+ years. And that a reasonable expectation would be that if we had done nothing they would continue to increase at the same rate. I also reminded her that hospitals should benefit due to health reform. She asked why. Well, "Fewer self pays going in and out your doors."
Obama and the democrats still have a lot of work to do. |
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Health Care bill up for grabs
