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Dave W.
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 Posted - 04/02/2010 : 11:33:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
How did you know the children in the first photo (another thread) were Jewish? |
Actually, I did Rudolfo's homework on that one, and he accepted the answer without even a quibble. Of course, he has yet to comment on the fact that the story behind the photo explains why the children are healthy without also debunking the Holocaust. |
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 12:21:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
And, let's have a photo ... the children's zoo at Treblinka ... this photo was not featured in 'Shoah' or the USHMM ....
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How come you're not the least bit skeptical about this zoo being built for the children? |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
It's a small, off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden! |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/02/2010 : 13:47:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hawks
Originally posted by Rudolfo
And, let's have a photo ... the children's zoo at Treblinka ... this photo was not featured in 'Shoah' or the USHMM ....
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How come you're not the least bit skeptical about this zoo being built for the children?
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It is because Rudolfo is anything but a skeptic. He is merely another Kool Aid drinker with a keyboard. He ignores solid evidence in favor of Zionist Conspiracy pipe dreams and gets pouty and/or snotty when called on it. What recent gone-but-not-forgotten clown does that remind you of?
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Rudolfo
Banned
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 05:45:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
And we do subscribe to certain principals of logic. Tools, really.
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 Let's see em. Post them. From what I've seen, the 'skeptics' on this board are adolescent idiots who wouldn't recognize a principle of logic if it bit them in the ass.
If you'll post them, I'll then proceed to show how the 'skeptics' on this board have violated every one of them. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 06:19:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
Originally posted by Kil
And we do subscribe to certain principals of logic. Tools, really.
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Let's see em. Post them. From what I've seen, the 'skeptics' on this board are adolescent idiots who wouldn't recognize a principle of logic if it bit them in the ass.
If you'll post them, I'll then proceed to show how the 'skeptics' on this board have violated every one of them. |
[My emphasis.]
One of those principles is not relying upon pure contempt and ad hominems alone. Better you should try to answer some of the questions you've been asked and are evading. |
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Fripp
SFN Regular
USA
727 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 06:43:03 [Permalink]
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There are many, many questions that you have avoided answering, but most of them are about petty points, so I'll reduce it to two:
YES or NO - Does a claim require evidence?
Why exactly were the Nazis rounding up Jews and putting them into camps? |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 06:52:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
There are many, many questions that you have avoided answering, but most of them are about petty points, so I'll reduce it to two:
YES or NO - Does a claim require evidence?
Why exactly were the Nazis rounding up Jews and putting them into camps?
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I might add: And why were there so few Jews left in the world afterward? |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Fripp
SFN Regular
USA
727 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 07:08:27 [Permalink]
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Frankly, I'm getting sick of debating trivial points on obscure photos. I want to ask a few more questions that get to the crux of the argument:
1) perhaps I missed this, but I want to know: Do you believe that the camps existed at all? If so, what purpose did they serve? Were they labor camps, penal camps, vacation camps, summer camps?
2) Below is a wiki entry.
...some advocates of discredited intellectual positions such as AIDS denial and Holocaust denial engage in pseudoskeptical behavior when they characterize themselves as "skeptics" despite cherry picking evidence that conforms to a pre-existing belief. According to Richard Wilson, who highlights the phenomenon in his book Don't Get Fooled Again (2008), the characteristic feature of false skepticism is that it "centres not on an impartial search for the truth, but on the defence of a preconceived ideological position".
whether or not you agree with its substance, don't you agree that, on the surface, it appears to describe you to a T? I'm NOT asking if it's an accurate appraisal, I am merely asking if it could appear to describe you, especially to someone who disagrees to you. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 07:13:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
Originally posted by Kil
And we do subscribe to certain principals of logic. Tools, really.
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Let's see em. Post them. From what I've seen, the 'skeptics' on this board are adolescent idiots who wouldn't recognize a principle of logic if it bit them in the ass.
If you'll post them, I'll then proceed to show how the 'skeptics' on this board have violated every one of them.
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I have tried patently to tell you what you are doing wrong over two threads now. I'm done with it. Good luck with your debate.
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Rudolfo
Banned
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 08:18:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
I'm done with it.
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There's your 'principles of logic' from the 'skeptic' perspective, which amount to .... head for the door as quickly as possible. Yep, that about sums it up. 
The focus of this thread is supposed to be the conspiracy, and the focal point of the conspiracy is the Nuremberg trials. I've been reading a book written by one of the Dachau trials court reporters, Joseph Halow. Halow was a 19 year old enlistee who found himself a court reporter, and in the first half of the book he recounts his experiences, including the trials, as he experienced them.
Then, 40 years later, retired, he wanted to investigate the reservations he'd had at the time of the trials, and the court records had recently (198?) been made available, so he read the court records, some of which he had written, and also revisited the area.
In the last half of the book he returns to specific trials, reviewing the trial, the trial review, and additional documents, including statements from those convicted.
The only word for these trials is grotesque. The book is 'Innocent at Dachau' by Joseph Halow.
The 'death camps' were liberated by the Soviets, and the guards at the these camps death camps were tried by the Soviets, I suppose, and after the war they were not disposed to formalities. I don't know what records there are, but they would be interesting to see.
Edit - wait a minute - I do know about one Soviet trial, also held at Dachau but by the Soviets, the trial of the Saschenhausen guards. There was more than the usual amount of idiocy, with 'proof' of gassings, including 'eyewitnesses', and a 'confession' by the camp commandant, Anton Kaindl, but the sentences were surprisingly to me not severe as I recall.
The trial of the Auschwitz guards, and the Majdanek guards (which I think may have occurred long after the war) would be interesting to investigate.
And of course we have the trial right now of John Demjanjuk. Demjanjuk was convicted by an Israeli court in the 80's as being Ivan the Terrible of Treblinka. He was positively identified by FIVE eyewitnesses. Sentenced to death. Then it turned out forged documents had been used to extradite him from the US. Policitian James Traficant became involved. The Israels had to release him. He had never set foot in Treblinka. Now he ninety years old and is being tried in Germany as a guard at Sobibor. There is no limit to the degeneracy of the Zionists. |
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Fripp
SFN Regular
USA
727 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 08:45:10 [Permalink]
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And your principles are the cowardly avoidance of answering questions. Instead you take the path of a gutless turd: ridicule instead of response.
Unanswered questions:
Do you believe that the camps existed at all? If so, what purpose did
they serve? Were they labor camps, penal camps, vacation camps, summer camps?
YES or NO - Does a claim require evidence?
Why exactly were the Nazis rounding up Jews and putting them into camps?
Does this wiki entry describe you accurately?
...some advocates of discredited intellectual positions such as AIDS denial and Holocaust denial engage in pseudoskeptical behavior when they characterize themselves as "skeptics" despite cherry picking evidence that conforms to a pre-existing belief. According to Richard Wilson, who highlights the phenomenon in his book Don't Get Fooled Again (2008), the characteristic feature of false skepticism is that it "centres not on an impartial search for the truth, but on the defence of a preconceived ideological position".
Finally, what are you hoping to achieve here? |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Fripp
SFN Regular
USA
727 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 09:33:24 [Permalink]
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| If your position is so rock-solid, why are you avoiding answering a couple simple questions? |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 09:45:22 [Permalink]
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Rudolfo:
There's your 'principles of logic' from the 'skeptic' perspective, which amount to .... head for the door as quickly as possible. Yep, that about sums it up. |
Liar. And what's the point in going over this again? Every time I go into it, you accuse me of changing the definition of skeptic and so on. So I'm moving on. I really don't care about what you think is right or wrong anymore. You're a closed circuit. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Fripp
SFN Regular
USA
727 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 11:47:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
You're a closed circuit.
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Not only that, but he's like every other pseudo-skeptic we've had come around here: they have no problems raising questions but they hate being asked questions. To question them is akin to heresy and always raises cries of "mindless sheep", "groupthink", etc. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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podcat
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 12:05:00 [Permalink]
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There have been 220-240 posts made discussing this topic already. If there really was an effort made to "head for the door as quickly as possible", there would be one thread with ten posts, which would have been locked.
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“In a modern...society, everybody has the absolute right to believe whatever they damn well please, but they don't have the same right to be taken seriously”.
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The holocaust conspiracy
