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Dave W.
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 Posted - 06/07/2010 : 07:16:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Originally posted by Kil
The Israeli's over-reacted even if they were met with violence. |
There we are again. The Israelis only "overreacted" because they were met with violence. |
There we go again: Gorgo feels free to rephrase a statement to make it mean the exact opposite of the original wording.
Bolded, here's Kil's statement:| The Israeli's over-reacted even if they were met with violence. |
And here's Gorgo's rendition:| The Israelis only "overreacted" because they were met with violence. |
I don't think Gorgo could get much more dishonest than that.| The Israelis attacked a peaceful ship. Can you "wrap your head" around that? A criminal attack. Even if you don't think they were firing live ammo, which all the evidence points to right now, they were firing rubberized steel bullets, percussion grenades and tear gas. Even if they had simply just boarded the ship without firing upon it, it is a deadly attack. The evidence right now points to a murderous attack. |
Of course, nobody disagrees with any of that. Gorgo is so irrational about this issue that he thinks someone does disagree with it.
Or perhaps he's so delusional that he thinks that "peaceful" excludes all possibility of ulterior motives and provocative actions. |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 07:21:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Gorgo
Originally posted by Kil
The Israeli's over-reacted even if they were met with violence. |
There we are again. The Israelis only "overreacted" because they were met with violence. |
There we go again: Gorgo feels free to rephrase a statement to make it mean the exact opposite of the original wording.
Bolded, here's Kil's statement:| The Israeli's over-reacted even if they were met with violence. |
And here's Gorgo's rendition:| The Israelis only "overreacted" because they were met with violence. |
I don't think Gorgo could get much more dishonest than that.| The Israelis attacked a peaceful ship. Can you "wrap your head" around that? A criminal attack. Even if you don't think they were firing live ammo, which all the evidence points to right now, they were firing rubberized steel bullets, percussion grenades and tear gas. Even if they had simply just boarded the ship without firing upon it, it is a deadly attack. The evidence right now points to a murderous attack. |
Of course, nobody disagrees with any of that. Gorgo is so irrational about this issue that he thinks someone does disagree with it.
Or perhaps he's so delusional that he thinks that "peaceful" excludes all possibility of ulterior motives and provocative actions.
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Again, your need to be insulting doesn't help your case. It just keeps people who don't suck up to you and Kil from joining in. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 07:27:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by Dave_W.
.| They were way out into international waters in the middle of the night. |
How close would they have to have been? The blockade itself is illegal, right? What does it matter where it happened, then? |
Because the blatant violations of international law and violations against the people of Gaza compounds. We're getting one straw closer to the last. The more violations Israel force themselves to make in order to maintain their unhuman policy against Gaza and the Palestinian people, the sooner and harsher will the International community react to the humanitarian crisis there. |
If the blockade is illegal, then it doesn't matter where the attack took place, it would still be a "blatant violation of international law."| Trying to get them to react enough to get world-wide media attention. Was the Israeli response criminal? You bet it was. But that doesn't justify the provocation. |
(Emphasis mine) I disagree. At least until I hear a convincing argument why it doesn't justify the provocation. |
Because the provocation was stupid.| Remember, there were several ships sailing together, and the main assault and weaponsfire happened (as far as I know) on one ship. |
Yes, and the guy leading that one ship described Israel as being insane. If one decides to provoke the insane, then one should be prepared to reap the consequences.| There are also common-sense reason for doing exactly what the protesters did. |
But that doesn't excuse them from all blame. In fact, protesters who choose confrontation are usually quite willing to take responsibility for the results. Gorgo thinks they should be held utterly blameless.| As long as one of the most powerful nations and greatest supporter on the planet gives Israel its silent consent, someone else has to draw the line and say enough is enough. |
How and when did the IHH get involved in the flotilla?| As long as Obama just speaks without putting action behind his words, he's just bullshitting, and not fooling anyone. |
Nobody is saying otherwise. I'm appalled by the actions of the U.S. government in this issue. |
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 07:30:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Again, your need to be insulting doesn't help your case. It just keeps people who don't suck up to you and Kil from joining in. |
If you're going to complain about insults, you should have refrained from being insulting many, many posts ago. |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 07:35:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Gorgo thinks they should be held utterly blameless. |
There you go. You are blaming the victims. You are supporting Israel. That's fine, but stop beating around the bush. You support a criminal gang. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 07:42:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
There you go. You are blaming the victims. You are supporting Israel. |
I blame Israel more than I blame the victims. You haven't provided any reason why I shouldn't blame them both.| That's fine, but stop beating around the bush. You support a criminal gang. |
Just more insults. |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 07:44:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Gorgo
Originally posted by Kil
The Israeli's over-reacted even if they were met with violence. |
There we are again. The Israelis only "overreacted" because they were met with violence. |
There we go again: Gorgo feels free to rephrase a statement to make it mean the exact opposite of the original wording. |
I think I'd like that better if I heard it from Kil. He's the one that said it. Let's have Kil explain what he meant.
If you think a request for clarification is insulting, then stay out of the discussion. I have said that I don't think Kil means to sound like he's smearing the victims, but he keeps saying the same things and hedging his bets. They're not to blame, but. You are saying the same things.
These people were murdered. That's all you need to say about it.
I can't predict what will happen now. Maybe something productive will come out of it. I think the worst that will happen is that Israel will continue to scapegoat the victims until they can't anymore, which may never happen, but if it does, then they'll probably find some other scapegoat. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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| Edited by - Gorgo on 06/07/2010 08:08:50 |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 07:45:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Gorgo
There you go. You are blaming the victims. You are supporting Israel. |
I blame Israel more than I blame the victims. You haven't provided any reason why I shouldn't blame them both.| That's fine, but stop beating around the bush. You support a criminal gang. |
Just more insults.
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Stating facts. You're blaming the victims, therefore you're supporting the aggressors. |
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tomk80
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 08:11:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Again, your need to be insulting doesn't help your case. It just keeps people who don't suck up to you and Kil from joining in.
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There is a difference between pointing out that you dishonestly twisted Kil's statements and insulting you. You did the former and Dave W. called you out on it.
Perhaps it is time for you to learn the difference between the two? |
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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tomk80
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 08:15:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Stating facts. You're blaming the victims, therefore you're supporting the aggressors.
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Ah, the game becomes clear. If Gorgo insults someone else, it is just stating facts. If someone else points out Gorgo's inability to read, they are insulting Gorgo.
Glad to have that cleared up. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Gorgo
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 08:18:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
Originally posted by Gorgo
Again, your need to be insulting doesn't help your case. It just keeps people who don't suck up to you and Kil from joining in.
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There is a difference between pointing out that you dishonestly twisted Kil's statements and insulting you. You did the former and Dave W. called you out on it.
Perhaps it is time for you to learn the difference between the two?
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To clarify, even though it is clarifying to someone who evidently cares not for reasonable discussion, I didn't twist anything. I may have misunderstood, but I didn't twist. Just because Dave can use the bold feature doesn't mean he made a valid point.
Hopefully, Dave doesn't think he "called" me on anything. If he did, then he's not interested in reasonable discussion, just one-upping people. |
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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
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Gorgo
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 08:24:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
Originally posted by Gorgo
Stating facts. You're blaming the victims, therefore you're supporting the aggressors.
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Ah, the game becomes clear. If Gorgo insults someone else, it is just stating facts. If someone else points out Gorgo's inability to read, they are insulting Gorgo.
Glad to have that cleared up.
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Good for you. You're paying attention, and you're addressing what's on the page. My problem with Dave's (and others) insults is that he assumes because he doesn't understand something, it's because someone else is stupid, or irrational, or disingenuous. If he takes what I say as an insult, he only needs to clarify what he says so that I understand better. If you blame the victim, you support the crime. Why is that wrong? You don't tell me why that's wrong, you impugn my motives and insult. You have nothing to say. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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tomk80
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Posted - 06/07/2010 : 08:32:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
To clarify, even though it is clarifying to someone who evidently cares not for reasonable discussion, |
what was that about insulting again?
Obviously you did. Kil already pointed this out a number of times. How many times more does he have to do this, Gorgo?
| I may have misunderstood, but I didn't twist. |
So me saying that you have a reading comprehension problem was actually a statement of fact? Thank you for admitting I was not insulting.
| Just because Dave can use the bold feature doesn't mean he made a valid point. |
Because obviously all the times Kil told you that you were twisting his words are so much more effective than bolding.
| Hopefully, Dave doesn't think he "called" me on anything. If he did, then he's not interested in reasonable discussion, just one-upping people. |
Sorry, but no. Your tone was not one of asking for clarification and despite the fact that Kil already pointed out numerous times that you were misrepresenting him, you never stopped to ask for clarification then. Call it what you will, but the only impression anyone could get from your MO at this point in this thread, is that you (deliberately?) misrepresented him. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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