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 Posted - 07/14/2010 : 07:33:50 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dave W. |
| "Multiple" seems to mean "three." In other offices, "the couple" didn't really get what they wanted. |
The point is not whether they fooled one or one hundred. The point is that picking out individuals and their actions and then using that to paint a wide swath of racist accusations against an entire group of people who number in the millions is nothing but a pathetic attempt at a smear campaign, no matter what side of the isle the one spouting baseless accusations happens to stand on. Again, it would be just as silly if I pointed to hand picked examples of some bad apples who were affiliated with the NAACP, Rainbow Push, Nation of Islam or the Black Panthers etc.. and then implied that because of the action of a few that the millions of others involved in said groups are bad apples too and then dismissed the entire group(s) as a whole based on the examples of a few.
| The ACORN people who acted poorly were low-level employees. |
I don't see any indication that most of the tea party people who are being singled out are/were employees of the tea party on/at any level. I don't see any indication that they were even tea party members. Heck for all we know these could be plants by the frantic left who simply want to smear the tea party somehow, someway since they struggle to do so any other way in the poll of public opinion. But it's all a moot point anyway as even if the president of ACORN him/herself had arranged the tax free teenage sex trade ring this still does not by default implement all the thousands and thousands of ACORN grass roots workers as supporters of such shady activities.
| Of course you can't, because instead of the ACORN administration acting poorly, they in fact fired the employees who appeared in the videos |
What else were they going to do? Their employees had just been filmed setting up a tax free teenage sex trade ring. They had to attempt to save face with the general public somehow.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 08:05:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy |
I might paint with a wide stroke, Bill, but the pigment stays accurately within the lines.
Unlike the above dolts. Where do they get the idea that Obama is a socialist? And the comparison to Hitler and Lenin (a fascist and a communist respectively) is simply a display of ignorance that shows up at all too many teabag rallies. Further, I find myself reminded that none of this shit was going down until a colored guy won the presidency. |
HaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So now in your convoluted bizzarro world calling a guy a socialist amounts to racism? HaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As if the right of center gave Clinton or Carter a free pass on their social(ist) agendas!?!?!?!?!?!?! Heck, Billary's attempt at socialized medicine in 92-93 was the single biggest contributer to the republican revolution of 1994. And Hillary wasn't even black so what was the discontent all about then? So even though the right wing has rejected socialized medicine and policy time and time again in the past while under white leadership the only reason they are rejecting/rejected it again now is because BO is only half white?!?!?!?!?!?! Give me a fricking break!!!!!
This is nothing but a pathetic attempt to smear those with whom you disagree with politically and nothing else. It is blatantly obvious.
| Hell, I wish he actually was a socialist! |
But the majority of the county does not want a socialist in the white house whether he is black/white/red/brown or pink. It's all about policy so get over it.
| I also wish he'd quit being such a pussy with Congress. |
Well he does own the house and the senate so what's he waiting on? What's he gonna do in 2011 after losing the house and maybe even the senate?
| As for ACORN, they're off the hook and hopefully will be back in business soon. And the would-be pimp and his would-be 'ho are getting hit with a lawsuit, as well they should. |
While the tea party has never been on the hook and is still in business. And the world she continues going round and round... |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 09:40:25 [Permalink]
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I could not make this stuff up even if I tried. Now BO is using the race card against al Qaeda:
In an interview earlier today with the South African Broadcasting Corporation to air in a few hours, President Obama disparaged al Qaeda and affiliated groups' willingness to kill Africans in a manner that White House aides say was an argument that the terrorist groups are racist.
Speaking about the Uganda bombings, the president said, "What you've seen in some of the statements that have been made by these terrorist organizations is that they do not regard African life as valuable in and of itself. They see it as a potential place where you can carry out ideological battles that kill innocents without regard to long-term consequences for their short-term tactical gains."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/07/president-obama-white-house-al-qaeda-is-racist.html |
Since they set off a bomb in Africa now they are racist.  How did this guy fool everyone into believing that he was so smart? He is a complete and utter moran. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 10:03:46 [Permalink]
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With the poll numbers looking more horrid as the "recovery summer" rolls along look for BO to whip out his race cards on the polling organizations next:
Gibbs: We are down big time in the CBS poll sir.
Obama: They are just a bunch of racists like the tea party, like the state of Arizona and the racist/terrorist group al Qaeda.
Gipps: We are down in the USA/Gallop poll as well sir.
Obama: They are just a bunch of racists like the tea party, like CBS, like the state of Arizona and the racist/terrorist group al Qaeda.
Gibbs: We are also down in the pew poll as well sir.
Obama: They are just a bunch of racists like the tea party, like CBS, like USA/Gallop, like the state of Arizona and the racist/terrorist group al Qaeda.
Gibbs: MSNBC has us down in the polls as well.
Obama: They are just a bunch of racists like etc... etc... etc...
| Only 25 percent say the economy is improving, according to a recent CBS survey. That's just one of the dark findings for the administration in a slew of recent polls that suggest that the administration's summer tour will do little to improve the president's political fortunes and those of his party. |
| In the Washington Post/ABC News poll, public confidence in the president has hit a new low. Six in 10 voters say they lack faith in the president. In a CBS News poll, 54 percent of the country disapprove of his handling of the economy, the highest number to date. In a Pew Research Center/National Journal poll, the number of Americans who approve of the president's health care legislation, the signature achievement of his presidency so far, sits at an anemic 35 percent. |
| In the CBS poll, only 23 percent think it has helped the economy. Only 13 percent think it has helped them personally. Despite all of his efforts, people are either ignoring him or tuning him out—or they can't hear him over the bad economic news. Whatever the reason, the best argument Obama has for how he and Democrats have addressed the issue people care the most about is one that people aren't buying. |
| The situation on health care is worse. There have been some signs that public opinion about health care was improving a little, but the Pew and CBS polls offer a darker outlook. Forty-nine percent disapprove of the new legislation, according to the CBS poll, and only 36 percent approve. Pew has nearly identical numbers. |
In the CBS poll, the only issue Obama was faulted for spending too much time on was health care. If he spends more time trying to convince people of the merits of health care (which only 6 percent told CBS was the country's most important problem), he risks being criticized for not spending enough time on the economy, which 39 percent of the country think is the most important problem. Fifty-two percent already think he's not spending enough time addressing economic problems.
http://www.slate.com/id/2260359/?GT1=38001 |
With all this bad news look for the racist accusations to fly like crazy in the next few months of the "recovery" summer tour. |
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 10:58:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
How did this guy fool everyone into believing that he was so smart? He is a complete and utter moran [emphasis mine - fripp]
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Ahh, I see you're off the meds again. BTW, "moron" is spelled m-o-r-o-n. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 11:52:07 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Fripp |
| Ahh, I see you're off the meds again. |
And after reading BO lecture al Qaeda for not only being a terrorist organization but, for being a racist terrorist organization I really need some meds. If there is one thing I hate more then a terrorist organization that kills indiscriminately it is a racist terrorist organization that kills indiscriminately. 
| BTW, "moron" is spelled m-o-r-o-n. |
Thanks for the heads up. And we all know that in BO's brave new world misspelling is a tell tale sign of blatant racism. |
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 12:01:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
The point is not whether they fooled one or one hundred. The point is that picking out individuals and their actions and then using that to paint a wide swath of racist accusations against an entire group of people who number in the millions is nothing but a pathetic attempt at a smear campaign, no matter what side of the isle the one spouting baseless accusations happens to stand on. Again, it would be just as silly if I pointed to hand picked examples of some bad apples who were affiliated with the NAACP, Rainbow Push, Nation of Islam or the Black Panthers etc.. and then implied that because of the action of a few that the millions of others involved in said groups are bad apples too and then dismissed the entire group(s) as a whole based on the examples of a few. |
I should hope would would dismiss such groups based on the actions of their leaders, though. Or at least dismiss the groups if they didn't replace leaders who were dragging the group through muck.| I don't see any indication that most of the tea party people who are being singled out are/were employees of the tea party on/at any level. I don't see any indication that they were even tea party members. |
You apparently don't remember Tom Tancredo, then, the chosen keynote speaker for the February National Tea Party convention. Tea Party officials should be specifically disavowing Tancredo's racism, but instead they're claiming they don't see any. In other words, instead of rejecting racism, they're turning a blind eye to it.
And filthy already pointed out Dale Robertson (not Richardson), again. There are also Sonny Thomas and Mark Williams. The latter said that the controversy he created with racist remarks has been "fantastic" for the movement, a comment that clearly is the opposite of repudiation.
These people aren't analogous to low-level employees, but instead represent parts of the public face of the Tea Party Movement. The rank-and-file Tea Partiers should up in arms, but instead they're complacent.| Heck for all we know these could be plants by the frantic left who simply want to smear the tea party somehow, someway... |
Do I need to move this thread over to the Conspiracy Theory folder?| ...since they struggle to do so any other way in the poll of public opinion. |
LOL. That must be why they rescheduled their Vegas convention with only two weeks' notice: they're still going strong as far as the public is concerned. Hahahaha!| But it's all a moot point anyway as even if the president of ACORN him/herself had arranged the tax free teenage sex trade ring this still does not by default implement all the thousands and thousands of ACORN grass roots workers as supporters of such shady activities. |
No, but had ACORN's president been doing such things, the board of directors would have sacked her in a heartbeat.| Of course you can't, because instead of the ACORN administration acting poorly, they in fact fired the employees who appeared in the videos |
What else were they going to do? Their employees had just been filmed setting up a tax free teenage sex trade ring. They had to attempt to save face with the general public somehow. |
Way to deflect from the point, Bill. |
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 Posted - 07/14/2010 : 12:06:26 [Permalink]
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What does all of the above even mean?
Statement: The teabaggers have raciest elements among them, scumbaggers if you will, that make the whole outfit appear in their image. This we have seen and is on record.
Observation: The teabaggers do not reject the scumbaggers and their poisonous philosophies. This is obvious to anyone paying attention.
Conclusion: Then the teabaggers don't much care if they are considered scumbaggers and will happily carry on with the scumbag agenda.
Whadda you think?
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 12:45:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
What does all of the above even mean?
Statement: The teabaggers have raciest elements among them, scumbaggers if you will, that make the whole outfit appear in their image. This we have seen and is on record.
Observation: The teabaggers do not reject the scumbaggers and their poisonous philosophies. This is obvious to anyone paying attention.
Conclusion: Then the teabaggers don't much care if they are considered scumbaggers and will happily carry on with the scumbag agenda.
Whadda you think?
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Exactly. If the rank and file teabagger were upset with the obvious racism from their public face, they would change their leaders and remove the racist elements from their party. That they have not done so, but rather encouraged and cheered at racist statements (like douchebag Tancredo calling for a "literacy test" before you get to vote... he was wildly cheered on stage for that line).
So while not every teabagger is a racist, enough of them appear to be racist that it isn't inaccurate to label the whole as racist.
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As is his wont, the Rude Pundit has some thoughts on the matter:
Now the saddest part of this billboard in Mason City, Iowa, paid for by the North Iowa Tea Party, is not the idiotic comparison of President Barack Obama to Hitler and Lenin. Oh, no. It's not the absolutely disingenuous response from the group, which was, "The pictures overwhelmed the message. The message is socialism." That's like saying the real issue in the Roman Polanski case is our extradition treaties.
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Ah, would that I could turn a phrase as well as the Rude One. Read on; he gets better -- or worser, depending upon your point of view....
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 13:17:17 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by filthy |
| Statement: The teabaggers have raciest elements among them, scumbaggers if you will, |
What group this size does not have scumbaggers emmbeded in their group?
| that make the whole outfit appear in their image. |
This is only in your eyes. You fixate on a few pictures, of which many we don't even know who they are of or where they even came from, and you like to paint this as the face of an organization which numbers in the millions. This is your broad and sweeping generalization that I have been harping you on.
| This we have seen and is on record. |
A few examples, many of which we don't even know who the people are or where they come from, out of millions of people and this is your record?
| Observation: The teabaggers do not reject the scumbaggers and their poisonous philosophies. |
Which ones are you referring to? There are millions who claim affiliation with the/a tea party.
| This is obvious to anyone paying attention. |
How so?
| Conclusion: Then the teabaggers don't much care if they are considered scumbaggers and will happily carry on with the scumbag agenda. |
Again which tea party people are you referring to here? They number in the millions.
I think that even though the right wing of this country has rejected the social(ist) policies of Carter and Clinton with just as much spirit as they have rejected Obama's that you will continue to dismiss that fact with a wave of your hand and insist that they are rejecting many of the same philosophies now simply because BO is only half white and you will continue to insist that this has nothing to do with their 40 years of known history of rejecting the same policy under white leadership and insist that anybody who did not vote for or rejects BO's political agenda is a racist. While I continue to believe that this has nothing at all to do with race and in fact is just a continuation of the rights 40 year long battle that I have personally witnessed against a socialist based agenda
How do you dismiss 38 years of history and insuate that the right have only now took up the battle against a socialist based agenda in the last one and a half years? Who was fighting hillycare back in 1993? And since Hillary was white what was driving them then as it obviously wasn't racism? |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 13:23:31 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dave W. |
| You apparently don't remember Tom Tancredo, then, the chosen keynote speaker for the February National Tea Party convention. Tea Party officials should be specifically disavowing Tancredo's racism, but instead they're claiming they don't see any. In other words, instead of rejecting racism, they're turning a blind eye to it. |
No I don't. I had to look him up. What I found I did not find racist. Something about taking a basic aptitude test before being aloud to vote. What does that have to do with race?
| And filthy already pointed out Dale Robertson (not Richardson), again. There are also Sonny Thomas and Mark Williams. The latter said that the controversy he created with racist remarks has been "fantastic" for the movement, a comment that clearly is the opposite of repudiation. |
Never heard of these 3 guys either, all though I am not a member of any tea party nor have I been to any rallies. I'll bet you a nickel 90% or more of the tea party people or those who have attended a rally have never heard of them either. I'll bet you another nickel that 90% or more of the tea folks would list defeating the obama agenda as to why they went to a rally. Whether you accept their reasons or not will be irrelevant come November. Like I said it is my belief that with the president and his agenda sinking like a rock in the polls smearing the opposition with accusations of racism is kinda their last ditch effort to dismiss their opponent. It is an interesting battle plan that is for sure. I guess we will know come November if it was a smart one or not.
| Do I need to move this thread over to the Conspiracy Theory folder? |
Suit yourself. You are the mod.
| LOL. That must be why they rescheduled their Vegas convention with only two weeks' notice: they're still going strong as far as the public is concerned. Hahahaha! |
I know this much, their numbers have not tanked to the administrations levels yet. Hence the whole call everyone, including al Qaeda, a racist and that should offer some distraction move. Sue the state of Arizona for racism. That should deflect the attention away from his poll numbers. (sigh)
| No, but had ACORN's president been doing such things, the board of directors would have sacked her in a heartbeat. |
Even if they did not this in no way implements the grassroots workers of the organization.
| Way to deflect from the point, Bill. |
So what other option did they have? |
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 14:13:50 [Permalink]
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So what other option did they have?
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Well, the teaparty modus operandi seems to be to just ignore the racist tendencies of their leaders, instead of speaking out against it. So they could have ignored the wrongdoings of those people, just as the teapartiers seem to do.
I'll admit, that would not be a good solution. |
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 15:25:00 [Permalink]
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No I don't. I had to look him up. What I found I did not find racist. Something about taking a basic aptitude test before being aloud to vote. What does that have to do with race? |
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Go read up on Jim Crow laws, Bill.| Never heard of these 3 guys either, all though I am not a member of any tea party nor have I been to any rallies. I'll bet you a nickel 90% or more of the tea party people or those who have attended a rally have never heard of them either. |
An argument from ignorance with pure speculation thrown in. Yeah, 90% of Tea Party members have never heard of the guy who founded the Tea Party Express. Good call, Bill. I think the only reason you're defending these people is because they're anti-Obama (except when they're not).| I'll bet you another nickel that 90% or more of the tea folks would list defeating the obama agenda as to why they went to a rally. |
What is, precisely, "the obama agenda," Bill?| Whether you accept their reasons or not will be irrelevant come November. |
So it will be relevant? Nevermind, I misread your post.| Like I said it is my belief that with the president and his agenda sinking like a rock in the polls smearing the opposition with accusations of racism is kinda their last ditch effort to dismiss their opponent. It is an interesting battle plan that is for sure. I guess we will know come November if it was a smart one or not. |
So based on guesses and bets, you're sure that that's the Democrats' "battle plan?" To just cry "racism" all the time? Seriously? You think they're that stupid?| Do I need to move this thread over to the Conspiracy Theory folder? |
Suit yourself. You are the mod. |
Hey, you're the one suggesting that there are "plants" at rallies to try to make the Tea Partiers look bad. How serious are you about that?| I know this much, their numbers have not tanked to the administrations levels yet. |
That doesn't mean the Tea Party's numbers aren't going down enough for their leadership to realize that having their convention in July will mean they'll be forgotten by November, which is why they're moving the convention to October.| Hence the whole call everyone, including al Qaeda, a racist and that should offer some distraction move. Sue the state of Arizona for racism. That should deflect the attention away from his poll numbers. (sigh) |
Nice strawman you've got there. Wow.| Even if they did not this in no way implements the grassroots workers of the organization. |
Even though "implements" doesn't mean what you think it means, yes, if the grassroots people don't pointedly, loudly and continuously disavow the racism of the public face of the party and work to have those people ejected, it certainly does implicate them (the grassroots) as being racists, also. These aren't millions of independent people who just happen to call themselves all by the same name, this is a national political party which, to be taken seriously, has to be serious about its PR.| Way to deflect from the point, Bill. |
So what other option did they have? |
The option the Tea Party seems to be taking: ignore it and hope the media forgets about it. |
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Posted - 07/14/2010 : 16:29:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
| Of course you can't, because instead of the ACORN administration acting poorly, they in fact fired the employees who appeared in the videos |
What else were they going to do? Their employees had just been filmed setting up a tax free teenage sex trade ring. They had to attempt to save face with the general public somehow.
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So what you're claiming is that the only reason that ACORN fired those employees is to "save face"? That's quite a stretch, even from you Bill. Care to back that up with some evidence? Or is that just another one of your unsubstantiated assertions? |
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