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tomk80
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 Posted - 07/16/2010 : 08:37:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Maybe my point would have better received /understood if I would used the term Obama administration rather then just Obama. The obama administration seems to find racial rhetoric to point out wherever they go. There that should cover it. |
No, because you are making a bullshit accusation.
Maybe the administration has a case to make and maybe they don't. Heck I could argue that their willingness to kill Asians, Europeans and Americans makes them racist against those groups as well. So what point has the president made by singling out their willingness to kill Africans when they kill everyone? Everybody all ready hates al Qadea to no end anyway. The administrations obsessions to paint al Qaeda as racist towards blacks is pointless and a waste of time in light of the fact that I can make a strong case that they hate everyone.
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Yes, Al Quaida they probably hate everyone. But it is questionable that everybody probably hates Al quaida anyway. Otherwise Al quaida wouldn't be able to recruit people in Africa. Pointing out possible racism can be a method to arm people against this. Next, you forgot to quote the part where Al quaida trainees said that Africans cannot rise to power in Al quaida. Yes, rising to power is a questionable goal, but nevertheless it
Also, pointing to "African lives" instead of "lives" would be a method to connect more to Africans. Given that that's where it happened.
| While I would make the point that while not being spoon fed by his teleprompter and when speaking in haste obama's true colors show through. |
Which would be bullshit. Obama only made a statement after being asked about it. He pointed out, amongst other things, that unfortunately racial profiling has a long history in the US-police. Sorry, but with the reputation the US police has, this is not a far-fetched statement only made by an ideologue.
| In a nutshell the state is basically trying to enforce laws that already exist that are supposed to be enforced by the feds but are not. Basically the state is saying to the feds that if you can't or you refuse to enforce the law then we will. 9-13 other states are lining up to follow Arizona's lead. |
Which still means it is not the state's prerogative to assume powers the feds have and the states don't.
| They claim this will lead to racial profiling which is a form of racism. |
And given the newsreports pointed out by others in the previous thread and the weaselwording of the law in question, this is not an empty concern.
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You have pointed to 3 incidents in one and a half years. You quietly dropped the NAACP one, which has nothing to do with Obama. All three have legitimate grounds for concern regarding racism and with one of them (Al Quaida) concern over racism is somewhat questionable. Sorry, but this is not indicative of someone going overboard on some ideology. |
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Fripp
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Posted - 07/16/2010 : 10:52:33 [Permalink]
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Hey Bill, is Mark Williams, the head Tea Party Express group, qualify as a leader who speaks for the Tea Party?
Well here's his latest brilliant move:
http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/theclog/2010/07/16/tea-party-leader-is-stupid-thing-of-the-week/
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Williams’ blog entry is in the form of a supposed letter from NAACP head Ben Jealous (whom Williams calls Uncle Tom’s nephew) to Pres. Abraham Lincoln. In the letter, Jealous asks Lincoln to reverse emancipation because, “Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards.” Bad enough, but here’s our favorite part of Williams’ “letter”:
“Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government ’stop raising our taxes.’ That is outrageous! How will we Colored People ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society?” |
Golly gee, that's not racist in the slightest  |
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 Posted - 07/16/2010 : 13:42:15 [Permalink]
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Seems the teabaggers have a friend in Sean, who is either blind or not paying attention.
Fox News' Sean Hannity is having trouble finding racist signs at Tea Party events but maybe that's because he's just not looking very hard.
Radio host Steven A. Smith joined Hannity Thursday night to discuss a resolution passed by the NAACP condemning racism in the Tea Party.
"The NAACP, they have the resolution -- explicitly racist behavior," said Hannity. "Do you have any specific examples?"
"Is there any example [of] any Tea Party members said anything racist, held any racist signs? Because we can't find any," Hannity asked Smith.
"[The NAACP] was saying that folks held racist signs in various cities," answered Smith. "I don't know."
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There's a certain amusement value here. I'm not sure what it is, but I got a chuckle out of it anyway. Fox News  seems to be on their way to becoming a comedy channel.
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Posted - 07/16/2010 : 16:57:10 [Permalink]
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On their way to comedy? I'm pretty sure they have been little more than a joke for many years!
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 06:04:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
Hey Bill, is Mark Williams, the head Tea Party Express group, qualify as a leader who speaks for the Tea Party?
Well here's his latest brilliant move:
http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/theclog/2010/07/16/tea-party-leader-is-stupid-thing-of-the-week/
(excerpt)
Williams’ blog entry is in the form of a supposed letter from NAACP head Ben Jealous (whom Williams calls Uncle Tom’s nephew) to Pres. Abraham Lincoln. In the letter, Jealous asks Lincoln to reverse emancipation because, “Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards.” Bad enough, but here’s our favorite part of Williams’ “letter”:
“Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government ’stop raising our taxes.’ That is outrageous! How will we Colored People ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society?” |
Golly gee, that's not racist in the slightest
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Well I guess time does tell. I have to give Joe and Barack their props where props are due. Props Joe and props Barack. Both are reported as not believing the tea party movement is a racist group. And we also see our second example of the tea party movement policing itself and correcting when need be. First the Northern Tea Party Express was rebuked for their sign by other tea party chapters and now the tea party express has been dealt with as well by other tea party groups. So now after we have seen two recent examples where the tea party movement as a whole has singled out and rebuked bad behavior in it's mist and with the president and vice-president both coming out and dismissing the notion that the tea party was a racist group hopefully we can put this urban legend to bed once and for all.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38303950/ns/politics
WASHINGTON — The tea party is not a racist group, Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday, though he believes that some of those involved in the movement have expressed racist views.
"Very conservative, very different views on government and a whole lot of things," Biden said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week." "But it is not a racist organization."
President Barack Obama doesn't think so, either, Biden said.
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People approved a resolution last week calling on tea party activists and others to "repudiate the racist element and activities" within the political movement.
Tea party organizers say racism does not have any place in their activities.
Critics have pointed to signs and other actions at tea party gatherings as evidence of racist elements.
In defending the National Tea Party Federation, spokesman David Webb said Sunday the coalition of local and regional tea party groups has expelled the Tea Party Express from its ranks for refusing to remove its spokesman, conservative talk radio host Mark Williams, after he posted a blog that satirized the NAACP and referred to its president, Benjamin Jealous, as "Tom's nephew and NAACP head colored person."
The blog post was "clearly offensive," Webb said.
"Self-policing is the right and the responsibility of any movement or organization," Webb said on "Face the Nation" on CBS. "I denounce any acts that I see many leaders do." |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 07:07:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
So now the teabaggers are whining about being accused of racism.
Has anyone seen any signs of racism at their rallies, hm? Of course not!
NAACP mulls resolution decrying Tea Party 'racism'; Free Republic members respond: 'klan with a tan' and 'pot calling the kettle white'
News that the "National Association for the Advancement of Colored People will propose a resolution this week condemning racism within the tea party movement" is not being taken well by some conservatives.
The Kansas City Star notes, "The resolution, scheduled for a vote as early as Tuesday by delegates attending the annual NAACP convention in Kansas City, calls upon 'all people of good will to repudiate the racism of the Tea Parties, and to stand in opposition to its drive to push our country back to the pre-civil rights era.'"
Complaining that the "NAACP has more of a political agenda now," Brendan Steinhauser, "director of campaigns for FreedomWorks, which organizes tea party groups," tells The Kansas City Star's Judy L. Thomas, "I just don't see racism in the tea party movement. Racism is something we're absolutely opposed to."
Gary Langer, director of polling at ABC News, apparently agrees with Steinhauser, "While our data don't speak to views at the individual level, in the broadest, population-based sense, we don't see it."
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Which might give you a pretty good idea of whose pocket Mr. Langer of ABC News is in.
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Here is a CNN article confirming what we suspected. That the many different tea party groups are stand on their own entities and that there is a national federation that has attempted to unite all the tea party groups under one banner but that this federation appears to only be in it's infancy and is currently a loose nit organization at best. We also see with the rebuke of the Northern Iowa Tea Party and with the Tea Party Express being expelled from the federation that the vast majority in the tea party movement reject any racist fringe groups that may have attached themselves to the movement and will act to quite, or remove, this fringe element from the movement. Again, with the evidence pointing to the fact that the tea party movement is not a racist group and with the president and vice-president both agreeing with that evidence hopefully we can put this old tired urban legend to bed once and for all
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/18/tea.party.imbroglio/index.html?hpt=T1 |
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filthy
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 07:18:58 [Permalink]
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Yeah, I read about that. It's nice to see that they are smartening up a little.
On the other hand, I wonder if this will begin to spilt the movement.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 07:21:44 [Permalink]
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And how could I have missed this little nugget? The spokesman for the tea party national federation just so happens to be of all things, an African-American! Go figure.
NAACP President Ben Jealous met Williams' statement by telling CNN, "Good riddance, Mark Williams." But he praised Tea Party activists like Webb, who is African-American, for standing up and "self-policing" their movement.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/18/tea.party.imbroglio/index.html?hpt=T1 |
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Fripp
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 07:23:39 [Permalink]
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I heard something on the radio that said that the whole NAACP dustup has been misinterpreted.
Some are of the opinion that the NAACP did NOT say that the Tea Parties themselves were racist. The NAACP was calling on the various Tea Parties to disavow/condemn/remove the racist elements of their organizations.
Keep in mind that I am merely re-stating what I heard, not saying that that was what my opinion was. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 07:29:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Yeah, I read about that. It's nice to see that they are smartening up a little.
On the other hand, I wonder if this will begin to spilt the movement.
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Well it sounds like the tea party express at least ain't got any other choice. They were booted from the tea party federation according to David Webb, spokesman for the TPF, who, man I love irony, is African-American. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 07:43:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
I heard something on the radio that said that the whole NAACP dustup has been misinterpreted.
Some are of the opinion that the NAACP did NOT say that the Tea Parties themselves were racist. The NAACP was calling on the various Tea Parties to disavow/condemn/remove the racist elements of their organizations.
Keep in mind that I am merely re-stating what I heard, not saying that that was what my opinion was.
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| Some are of the opinion that the NAACP did NOT say that the Tea Parties themselves were racist.. |
Please keep in mind that I was not responding to the NAACP but rather to this thread which said, implied, insinuated or suggested that the tea party was racist. I simply pointed out how silly it was to paint with the racist brush millions of people because of the actions of a select few. The president and vice-president just so happened to agree with me on that. I have to give them their props where props are due. Props to you Joe and Barack on that one. I did not think that I could ever see eye to eye on anything with these two guys but they have proved me wrong. |
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Fripp
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 08:42:53 [Permalink]
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Please keep in mind that I was not responding to the NAACP but rather to this thread which said, implied, insinuated or suggested that the tea party was racist. I simply pointed out how silly it was to paint with the racist brush millions of people because of the actions of a select few. The president and vice-president just so happened to agree with me on that. I have to give them their props where props are due. Props to you Joe and Barack on that one. I did not think that I could ever see eye to eye on anything with these two guys but they have proved me wrong.
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I was tempted to say "That's mighty white of you" but I'm afraid that people wouldn't get the joke.
I agree with your basic point (painting with a broad brush) and if I have misinterpreted your viewpoint then I apologize. |
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"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 10:27:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
Please keep in mind that I was not responding to the NAACP but rather to this thread which said, implied, insinuated or suggested that the tea party was racist. I simply pointed out how silly it was to paint with the racist brush millions of people because of the actions of a select few. The president and vice-president just so happened to agree with me on that. I have to give them their props where props are due. Props to you Joe and Barack on that one. I did not think that I could ever see eye to eye on anything with these two guys but they have proved me wrong.
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I was tempted to say "That's mighty white of you" but I'm afraid that people wouldn't get the joke.
I agree with your basic point (painting with a broad brush) and if I have misinterpreted your viewpoint then I apologize.
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Thank you. I apologize for calling you a convoluted nut and for going off on a tangent about the administration being fixated with race. In light of the vice-president's words on Sunday maybe that accusation was a little over the top. |
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Fripp
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 10:34:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Thank you. I apologize for calling you a convoluted nut and for going off on a tangent about the administration being fixated with race. In light of the vice-president's words on Sunday maybe that accusation was a little over the top.
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*sniff sniff* I love you, man. *sniff sniff*
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"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 07/19/2010 : 10:56:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
Originally posted by Bill scott
Thank you. I apologize for calling you a convoluted nut and for going off on a tangent about the administration being fixated with race. In light of the vice-president's words on Sunday maybe that accusation was a little over the top.
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*sniff sniff* I love you, man. *sniff sniff*
I don't know about you, but my narcotics must be kicking in...
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Please share. Mine have all but worn off |
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