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Dave W.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 07/29/2010 : 13:14:21 [Permalink]
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Robb, it's clear that you have no idea what the constitution says about how the president is elected (well, after this thread maybe you do, but you didn't when you posted that).
When are you going to turn off the FAUXNews feed? You seem like a smart guy, but how the hell do you get caught up in the lies and delusions of those morons so often?
No way is this law unconstitutional. The states, per the constitution, can assign electors in any manner they decide. How can that be unclear to you?
Conservatard pundits are just pissed because they didn't think of this first, and because they have a history of winning elections while losing the popular vote. They will say or do anything to help keep republicans in power.
When the senate starts debating a change to the filibuster rules here next month, lets see how hard conservitards in congress cry and pitch a fucking fit. I'll even bet you that no one on FAUXNews will remember that they were all in favor of the "nu-cu-lar option" (GOP was going to eliminate the filibuster, back when dems were using it literally 1/10th as much as the repugs are using it now).
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Robb
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 13:49:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Robb, it's clear that you have no idea what the constitution says about how the president is elected (well, after this thread maybe you do, but you didn't when you posted that).
When are you going to turn off the FAUXNews feed? You seem like a smart guy, but how the hell do you get caught up in the lies and delusions of those morons so often? |
Whatever Dude. I have grown tired of your insults and hostility. I do not talk like this to you, is it too much to ask for you to do the same for me? I don't know why you would want to talk to a racist, bigot, moronic, irrational, delusional, mentally sick and child abusive person like myself anyway. (These are all the things you have called me over the years). May God bless you Dude. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 14:31:00 [Permalink]
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You're just pissed that you got caught up in the conservitard lies, brought them here, and were corrected. The constitution is unambiguous with it's description of how states assign electors, and a 5 minute internet search would have led you to truth.
Instead you are here posting "MA TO SUBVERT CONSTITUTION! OHH NOOESS!" Then adding some bullshit about how that's "just how progressives work".
Do you seriously expect to be treated with respect when you do this?
| racist, bigot, moronic, irrational, delusional, mentally sick and child abusive person |
When you post nonsense, especially racist, bigoted, irrational, and delusional nonsense, you can expect to be referred to by those descriptors.
So really, you are in here, down hard on progressives, accusing them of subverting the constitution based entirely on your own ignorance and misinformation! I think you are lucky to have recieved the mild rebukes that you have.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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Robb
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 18:31:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
You're just pissed that you got caught up in the conservitard lies, brought them here, and were corrected. The constitution is unambiguous with it's description of how states assign electors, and a 5 minute internet search would have led you to truth.
Instead you are here posting "MA TO SUBVERT CONSTITUTION! OHH NOOESS!" Then adding some bullshit about how that's "just how progressives work".
Do you seriously expect to be treated with respect when you do this?
| racist, bigot, moronic, irrational, delusional, mentally sick and child abusive person |
When you post nonsense, especially racist, bigoted, irrational, and delusional nonsense, you can expect to be referred to by those descriptors.
So really, you are in here, down hard on progressives, accusing them of subverting the constitution based entirely on your own ignorance and misinformation! I think you are lucky to have recieved the mild rebukes that you have.
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Ya know Dude it's clear that you have no respect for people. You have said here that people deserve ridicule just because they have beliefs or idea's different than yours. You feel people of lesser intelligence are deserving of ridicule because of that. That is elementary age stuff and not the character of a real man. People deserve respect because they are human beings period. I have said things here I regret at times but I hope that I try to treat people with respect. I fear in your old age you may regret the way you treated people.
I absolutely expect some more ridicule and hate from you because of this post but I ask you again as grown men to treat me and others with decency.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 21:13:31 [Permalink]
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Robb said:
| You have said here that people deserve ridicule just because they have beliefs or idea's different than yours. |
If that's what you think then you have not been paying much attention.
What I've said is that if you persist in thinking false things to be true, after all the evidence has been given to you for why you are wrong, then ridicule is an acceptable method of dealing with anything you have to say after that point.
Lets not pretend that this is the first time you have jumped in here with some conservitard "news" item without even pretending to examine the issue first.
| You feel people of lesser intelligence are deserving of ridicule because of that. |
First, I have said many times in here that the word "intelligence" is more or less useless in any serious conversation unless you are looking at something very specific. As an overall quality it is not a good term. Again, I think ridicule is appropriate when dealing with people who remain willfully ignorant.
| People deserve respect because they are human beings period. |
Nonsense. Respect is earned. If it isn't then there is no point to it. Don't pretend that you respect all people, or you will be guilty of the sin of lying.
| I absolutely expect some more ridicule and hate from you because of this post but I ask you again as grown men to treat me and others with decency. |
Clearly I have offended you. But where is your consideration for me? Have I not made it clear that I find willful ignorance and blind stupidity offensive? When you trot in here and make totally uninformed accusations about progressives backed up with a factually wrong conclusion about this new MA state law, you are behaving in an extremely offensive manner.
You could have saved yourself some trouble, and maybe some stress, by taking the time to actually learn what the UC Constitution has to say about how states assign electors before you decided to post your made up "news" story and your hateful little screed about progressives.
You, Robb, set the "tone" of this thread. Deal with it.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Robb
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 21:41:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Robb said:
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Nonsense. Respect is earned. If it isn't then there is no point to it. |
This is the crux of our disagreement, you think people have no value unless they can earn your respect (whatever your requirements are). I believe people have value and worthy of respect because they are people no matter what they do or say.
Originally posted by Dude
Don't pretend that you respect all people, or you will be guilty of the sin of lying. |
I said I try to respect all people. I never said I did respect all people. I even admitted I have said things here that I regret, that were not respectful. I hold that belief and at times I do not live up to it. That does not mean I do not believe it.
I ask you again as grown men to treat me and others with decency. Do you have the character to do that? |
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Robb
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 01:12:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Clearly I have offended you. But where is your consideration for me? Have I not made it clear that I find willful ignorance and blind stupidity offensive? When you trot in here and make totally uninformed accusations about progressives backed up with a factually wrong conclusion about this new MA state law, you are behaving in an extremely offensive manner.
You could have saved yourself some trouble, and maybe some stress, by taking the time to actually learn what the UC Constitution has to say about how states assign electors before you decided to post your made up "news" story and your hateful little screed about progressives.
You, Robb, set the "tone" of this thread. Deal with it.
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Have you not read the thread after the first post? I have admitted that I should not have made the progressive comment and I have said that Dave W could be right (who shares a similar position as yourself) based on what was said in this thread. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 07:30:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by Dude
Clearly I have offended you. But where is your consideration for me? Have I not made it clear that I find willful ignorance and blind stupidity offensive? When you trot in here and make totally uninformed accusations about progressives backed up with a factually wrong conclusion about this new MA state law, you are behaving in an extremely offensive manner.
You could have saved yourself some trouble, and maybe some stress, by taking the time to actually learn what the UC Constitution has to say about how states assign electors before you decided to post your made up "news" story and your hateful little screed about progressives.
You, Robb, set the "tone" of this thread. Deal with it.
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Have you not read the thread after the first post? I have admitted that I should not have made the progressive comment and I have said that Dave W could be right (who shares a similar position as yourself) based on what was said in this thread.
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Are you reading what you type? You "shouldn't" have posted that, Dave_W "could" be right.... none of that is the appropriate response. You are clearly mistaken on the issue here, just admit it. As for your insults, personally I don't care. It's your hypocrisy that is the problem. If you "shouldn't" have posted something then you "should" be capable of simply retracting it. Instead you are trying to lecture me and tell me I should be nice to you just because! Whatever.
The character issue here is yours Robb. Respect is earned, not given by default. If you personally choose to "respect" everyone by default then it defeats the entire point of the concept. I suspect that you are trying to use the word in a general sense, maybe you mean that everyone deserves to be treated politely? If so, I don't entirely disagree. But when you come in here with false info, act outraged, insult people, and then try to hedge when you are shown to be wrong (Dave_W "could" be right)... don't expect to be treated nicely. At least, not by me.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 08:20:35 [Permalink]
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Commentary:
To both Robb and Dude. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it float. Or something like that...
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Why not question something for a change?
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 09:11:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
I ask you again as grown men to treat me and others with decency. Do you have the character to do that? |
I think Dude has been treating you with decency. He's taking the time to explain himself and he's not simply dismissing you with four-letter insults. He's not writing you off as being completely unable to change what he sees as your flaws. Most telling of all, he's not coddling you, which means he respects you enough to treat you like an adult. Yes, he's being directly, gruffly and insultingly critical of you, but Dude doesn't sugarcoat anything for anyone (so far as I've seen), so he's not treating you differently than he treats anyone else. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 07/31/2010 : 02:11:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Ya know Dude it's clear that you have no respect for people. You have said here that people deserve ridicule just because they have beliefs or idea's different than yours. |
No, that's not what he said. Its when people's ideas and beliefs are contrary to truth and evidence that they deserve ridicule. That's quite a different thing than what you believed Dude said. (Note that the quoted paragraph above would qualify as such a statement/belief)
The rest of the conclusions in your post Robb, about Dude's character, are derived from the above mentioned faulty premise, and the conclusions are thus rendered invalid. You should re-evaluate Dude, because I think you've got the wrong idea about him. He is abrasive at times I give you that, but the malice you ascribe him is wrongly placed.
You feel people of lesser intelligence are deserving of ridicule because of that.
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Robb
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Posted - 08/04/2010 : 11:24:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by Robb
Ya know Dude it's clear that you have no respect for people. You have said here that people deserve ridicule just because they have beliefs or idea's different than yours. |
No, that's not what he said. Its when people's ideas and beliefs are contrary to truth and evidence that they deserve ridicule. That's quite a different thing than what you believed Dude said. (Note that the quoted paragraph above would qualify as such a statement/belief)
The rest of the conclusions in your post Robb, about Dude's character, are derived from the above mentioned faulty premise, and the conclusions are thus rendered invalid. You should re-evaluate Dude, because I think you've got the wrong idea about him. He is abrasive at times I give you that, but the malice you ascribe him is wrongly placed.
You feel people of lesser intelligence are deserving of ridicule because of that.
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We can all disagree. It is clear that Dude thinks there is a morally acceptable time to ridicule, I do not. But it was fun! |
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 00:37:49 [Permalink]
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Doesn't this favor conservatives? Massachusetts has gone to the Democratic presidential candidate every election 88-2008 whereas Republicans have won the popular vote twice in those 6 elections.
I would expect this would also drive voter turnout down in the state since votes would mean less -- the election would have to be close enough that the difference in votes in the state would make the difference in the outcome for the state's residents' collective votes to even determine where their electoral votes went. I don't know that this favors either party, but I see it as a negative regardless. (That doesn't mean they can't do it.) |
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Massachusetts to subvert Constitution
