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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 09/16/2010 : 12:18:44 [Permalink]
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That's umm.... pretty fucking terrifying.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 09/16/2010 : 23:08:04 [Permalink]
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| I wonder what Justice Antonin Scalia's opinion is? Nuclear vaporization of the Koran and all that read it? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 09/19/2010 : 04:20:53 [Permalink]
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"What goes around, comes around," it is said. And there is some truth in that overly-simplistic bit of semi-logic. In the case of Jones and the Dove World Outreach Center, it's comin' 'round. Or trying to.
City puts cost of Quran-burning security at $200,000, sends bill to church
September 17, 2010 7:16 PM
The Associated Press
GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Authorities say security for last weekend's canceled Quran burning at a central Florida church cost around $200,000. City officials say they expect the church to pay.
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Excellent! People should pay for their foolishness. However, like many/most ointments, there is a fly in this one.
| Gainesville City Manager Russ Blackburn said he doesn't know if the city has legal authority to compel the church to pay. |
Shoo fly, shoo!
But even if the billing is legal, I'd bet that the city won't see a single, cryin' dime of that money. Leaders of congregations are often notorious deadbeats -- Kent Hovind comes to mind as an extreme example.
However it turns out, I think the church has taken a major hit and it's 15 minutes of fame will cost it dearly in reputation, if not in cash. Hey Terry, you endorsed Westboro Baptist, eh? Well now you can sit yourself down in the pew right next to them, along with Pope Benny and the rest of the dregs of Christianity. Glory Hallelujah!
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Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/19/2010 : 09:33:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
I wonder what Justice Antonin Scalia's opinion is? Nuclear vaporization of the Koran and all that read it?
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Scalia has been on the side of speech quite often as I recall.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 09/28/2010 : 01:44:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Excellent! People should pay for their foolishness. However, like many/most ointments, there is a fly in this one. |
You want to charge the church for security that (I assume) they didn't ask for? If they were billed for this, I don't see how we could not charge people at any sort of protest for the extra security provided. I mean, should they have set up a toll booth on the way to the Million Man March? Sure, they weren't being idiots and they were fighting for something worthwhile, but I'm not sure who we can have muddle around to decide which causes are worthwhile or not to decide who does and does not get billed for those expenses.
As far as I know, they wouldn't have done anything illegal by burning Korans, so if anyone became so angry by this nonsense as to actually try to harm someone, all blame goes to that person as far as I'm concerned. We cannot suspend the expectation for people in society to not attack each other over something so trivial as some fanatic burning books. |
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chefcrsh
Skeptic Friend
Hong Kong
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Posted - 09/28/2010 : 05:58:59 [Permalink]
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Agree. If you are a modern liberal isn't that just what the state is for...to act as a risk aggregator? Take the burning, if a church building had caught fire while they were burning this property would we not expect (given current government and laws of the land) that the state run fire department would respond to the fire, at a cost to the state (to the other taxpayers in the state)?
As a classical liberal I think they should have been allowed to do what they want with and on their own property, I don't think any security should have been provided by the state, even if requested, or at least unless it was paid for in advance. But also if it was volunteered by the state then it is the states bill to carry. |
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Burning the Koran: how stupid is this?
