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Bill scott
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 Posted - 10/28/2010 : 12:59:01 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Fripp |
| Yeah, that's why it took you ten responses, and numerous selective quote-mining to finally acknowledge what you did say. |
Actually it took me that long to figure out how I insulted you. Being an ex-seal and current internet bad azz I would have never guessed in a million years that simply calling you skinny would bother you so. Most people would love to be called skinny. And for the record, as an avid bicyclist, I am pretty skinny/lean myself. I don't get insulted when people call me skinny as most times I can sense the jealousy in their voice. However, if this truly does bother you then I apologize for the skinny comment.
Nice backpedalling. Your original posts were intentional attacks, but now you refuse to man up to them.
I know where you're going to go now, so let me just nip it in the bud now. Trust me, I wasn't "ruffled" by your attacks. But if you're going to insult me unprovoked, do you expect me to just ignore it? |
All of this because I called you skinny? Seriously your reading way to much into that comment.
| I stand by my original post. I wanted to make it clear that they (the TeaBaggers) are very selective at who they pick on. |
Selective on who they pick on?!?!?!?!?!?! This lady came to the Rand Paul rally and started crap with them after no one provoked her to do so and your saying they are selective on who they pick on?!?!?!?! That is just absurd beyond comment.
| I've seen it time and time again. My post obviously bothered you enough to write such an impassioned reply. |
Dude I commented on several different posts right out of the gate. Yours was no more special then the others.
| Probably about as much as I was bothered by the shithead TeaBagger behavior. |
Dude you can be mad at one fellow. The guy who put his sneaker on the gals head. The rest of the folks were justified and so the rest of your rant is just you being angry at the world.
But, I had then, and still have now, no interest in "showing off" may "bad ass" skills. I made that clear when I asked you to:
I want you to post any previous examples where I have strutted around and talked tough. |
But I listed multiple statements for you that were made by you where you were in obvious internet tough guy mode. Those don't count why?
But exactly how stupid are you that when I do say...
I want you to post any previous examples where I have strutted around and talked tough.
...that you can't figure that I am talking about posts prior to my initial one in this thread? |
So after I fulfill your request you then add on extra qualifiers after the fact? Or in forum lingo you moved the goalpost on me.
| The guy with the sneaker I don't justify at all. That's the last time I will say this. If you can't grasp what I am saying now then nothing else I say will help you. |
It took you 4 pages until this admission was finally dragged out of you. |
But if you read all my posts then you would already know that when I wrote the first post I had not seen the video yet. Once I had seen the video I clarified that I no problem with the men who originally took the gal down but I felt the guy putting the sneaker on the gal's head was unnecessary. As far as the initial take down I stand by my original statement that she should have known the risks of forcing a confrontation with a public figure by breaking through their security people and trying to get within touching distance of the intended target at a public appearance. What happens at a rock concert when people jump on stage and rush after the performers? Security takes them down and takes them down hard. Why? Because at the time no one can evaluate what the intent of those rushing the stage is. Are they there just to get a quick kiss or are they there to inflect harm? No difference when this lady charges Paul. No one knows if she has a gun or knife or what her intentions are and there ain't time to sit around and try and figure it out. |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 13:29:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy |
| Yeah, Bill, but what about that sorry sack of shit in the checked shirt copping a feel in the process? Hmm? The whole thing was an exercise in, and an excuse to, humiliate a woman. |
Oh please! This gal decided to mess with them and not the other way around. If she would not have rushed the car nobody would have ever said boo to her. The notion that they were selective or wanting to humiliate a women when all of this come out of the blue at them is just your desperate grasp as straws.
| The take-down was not justified at all. |
It is totally justified and you know it. She does not rush the car and there is no story.
| This woman had no weapon and made no threat. |
Nobody knew if she had a weapon or not until after the fact. I can hide a pistol in my pants rather easily and so can any gal. And breaking threw security to rush a public figure is a threat and you know this.
| What I think is, that in a more secluded situation, it would have ended in gang rape. |
You are just talking out of your ass now.
| The "security guards" were, evidently, local hacks off the street, including Rand's Bourbon County coordinator, he of the mighty sneaker, and not paid staff -- it would be even worse if they were staff. |
Even if true the gal rushed a public figure making a public appearance and no one knew her intentions. She easily could have had a gun or knife or any other weapon. You didn't know if she did or not until after the fact. Everybody who goes to concerts knows that if you rush the stage you may very well end up getting slammed by security. No difference here. If the lady did not think there was chance to get taken down by rushing Paul then she is just ignorant.
| I sincerely hope they get everything the law can legitimately throw at them. They are cheap, school-yard bullies all growed up, and need to be given time to reflect upon their attitudes. Hard time. And if Velle sues them, well, so much the better. |
One man and one man alone acted questionably here. The man in the sneakers. The original take down is all on the gals shoulders. She knew the risks for rushing Paul and if she did not then she is ignorant. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 13:50:28 [Permalink]
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Chris Matthews: Supporters of Tea Party favorites Alaska Republican Senate candidate Joe Miller and Kentucky Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul have been "acting like street thugs," MSNBC's Chris Matthews said Wednesday.
Last week, Miller's security handcuffed and attempted to arrest a reporter for the Alaska Dispatch. The Miller campaign was unapologetic and called the reporter an "irrational blogger."
On Monday, two of Paul's supporters pushed a MoveOn.org activist to the ground and stomped on her head. The victim, Lauren Valle, received a concussion and sprains from the altercation.
The Paul campaign distanced itself from Tim Profitt, one of the men responsible for the stomping. The next day, Profitt said he was the victim that needed to apologize to him.
The behavior is the "kind of stuff we saw from hoodlums in the '30s in another country I will not mention," Matthews said Wednesday, an obvious reference to Nazi Germany.
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The teabaggers have gone fucking batshit!
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 14:08:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
It is totally justified and you know it. She does not rush the car and there is no story. |
Blaming the victim, now.| Nobody knew if she had a weapon or not until after the fact. |
When was the last time that a nominee for Senate was assaulted in public, with or without a weapon?| I can hide a pistol in my pants rather easily and so can any gal. |
When was the last time that a nominee for Senate was approached by someone with a gun in their pants?| And breaking threw security to rush a public figure is a threat and you know this. |
An SUV. She went up to his SUV. The doors weren't even open. All that needed to be done to protect the candidate was to drive away. Drive away, notify the police, sort the situation out and then Paul could have been driven back. Nobody hurt. Nobody charged with anything. And no idiots trying to desperately justify their own vision of vigilante street justice in America.| The "security guards" were, evidently, local hacks off the street, including Rand's Bourbon County coordinator, he of the mighty sneaker, and not paid staff -- it would be even worse if they were staff. |
Even if true... |
It is true. Try to keep up. The head-stomper was Paul's local campaign coordinator (not any sort of security person), and he has appropriately lost that job (good on Mr. Paul for not trying to protect him).| Everybody who goes to concerts knows that if you rush the stage you may very well end up getting slammed by security. No difference here. |
Ah, so Rand Paul is analogous to a rock star, now? Seriously, if Rand Paul had been on private property on which the hosts could impose their own rules of behavior (like at a rock concert), you might have a point here. Since they were in a public space, in which neither Rand Paul nor his campaign staff have any right to impost their own rules, the worst she did was jaywalking, which would have netted her a ticket from the police, and not even a "take down."| If the lady did not think there was chance to get taken down by rushing Paul then she is just ignorant. |
Blaming the victim. The police have already charged Mr. Stompy with misdemeanor assault, and they're considering similar charges against two more. Valle did nothing illegal.| One man and one man alone acted questionably here. |
Then why are police considering more assault charges?Who gave her a concussion.| The original take down is all on the gals shoulders. She knew the risks for rushing Paul and if she did not then she is ignorant. |
No, you're just inventing "rules" that don't exist.
Besides, busting heads at rock concerts hasn't been the norm since 1969 (but at least the guy had a gun, there). |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 14:28:58 [Permalink]
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So Bill, you are saying that it's perfectly ok for four 200(?) pound men to rough up a 110 pound woman carrying a sign? I am certain that they knew she was unarmed in the first few seconds -- certainly the asshole in the checked shirt did. They are no more than cheap thugs deserving only of contempt. As for rape, it's happened before and can/will again, and these are the sorts of scumbags who do it -- faux badasses trying to prove how tough they think they are.
I rather doubt that these chickenshit douchbags would take on a healthy man under like circumstances. They would politely ask him to leave, then call the cops if he didn't.
This is funny.  They could have had Valle up on a trespassing charge but were too stupid to figure it out. So now, they are ones to be charged. How excellent is that?! 
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 15:44:31 [Permalink]
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Ah, my mistake, Paul was out of the vehicle and moving away from it. There were lots of people between her and he, including some saying "get the police" before she gets "taken down."
We never get to see her without someone's hand on her before she's on the pavement, though. And nobody in that crowd had a right to put a hand on her except the police. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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6891 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2010 : 18:18:36 [Permalink]
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billy, you retarded douchebag....
The funniest part of your babble here is not your defense of the indefensible, but rather the way you must exaggerate to do it. "Unidentified object?" It's a fucking sign billy, anyone watching the video can clearly see it. Also, if Paul's thugs thought she was any actual threat they would have asked the cop standing 3 feet away to intervene first, like when they corralled the woman before Paul's vehicle even arrived. No rational person would allow anything they legitimately considered a threat to just stand there.
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podcat
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 20:05:40 [Permalink]
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More video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/#39880195
Rand Paul had his own personal security, the four or five people were not assigned to him, they just beat up a person first and asked questions later.
And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see anyone stomping directly on her head. She did get stepped on the shoulder area. There were also a couple of people who put their hands on her. Legally, that counts as an assault, as well. |
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The Rat
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 20:20:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by podcat
And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see anyone stomping directly on her head. She did get stepped on the shoulder area.
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He initially stepped on her shoulder, and then his foot slid down rather forcefully onto the side of her head, and it appears that her head was pushed onto the floor. It's a stomp any way you look at it, and completely unnecessary.
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podcat
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Posted - 10/28/2010 : 20:23:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Who gave her a concussion.
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Nah, Dave. He just pushed her down with his foot and her head just bounced off the concrete. :P |
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Fripp
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Posted - 10/29/2010 : 05:50:29 [Permalink]
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Bill, you've been asked at least 3 or 4 times about the titty grab. You keep avoiding that as well. Wait, I know, since she was "in disguise"  , the "security detail" was checking for weapons, right? |
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Fripp
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Posted - 10/29/2010 : 06:21:44 [Permalink]
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| Everybody who goes to concerts knows that if you rush the stage you may very well end up getting slammed by security. |
One woman is equivalent to thousands of fans? |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
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Kil
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Posted - 10/29/2010 : 07:33:20 [Permalink]
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Bill:
Everybody who goes to concerts knows that if you rush the stage you may very well end up getting slammed by security. No difference here. |
Well gosh. I've been to enough rock concerts to know that if a person actually makes it to the stage, they don't get thrown down and have their heads stomped on. They get picked up and either carried back into the audience with a warning, or they get thrown out of the theater, missing the rest of the show. No one gets handcuffed either. The analogy is just stupid. Another point is that security at a rock concert actually IS security. You know. They know how to do their job.
This Rand Paul thing was just a chicken shit response by self appointed goons.
Maybe if Paul would actually face reporters questions... but noooo. He and several other of the tea party candidates behave like the cowards that they really are. Tough questions tend to be embarrassing for them because they really are a bunch of doofuses running for high office. Welcome Bill to the dumbing down of America, all with your blessings. |
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Fripp
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Posted - 10/29/2010 : 07:48:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
This Rand Paul thing was just a chicken shit response by self appointed goons.
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Thank you, Kil. That's exactly what I thought but I couldn't verbalize as succinctly as that. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
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Really courageous, these teabaggers!
