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Dave W.
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 Posted - 11/03/2010 : 14:16:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
...no working with the republicans at all for the last two years... |
Hmmmm...
Democrats: "Let's let the citizens in on the health care package that government workers enjoy."
Republicans: "No."
Dems: "Okay, how about we offer them a different government-run health insurance plan?"
Republicans: "No."
Dems: "How about we allow for 'exchanges' through which individuals can get group rates?"
Soon-to-be Speaker of the House John Boehner: "Hell, no!" (That's a direct quote from the floor of the House.)
How can anyone "work with" people who shoot down ideas that they were promoting just 16 years ago?| It drives me crazy when both parties use terms such as Nazis, morons, tea baggers, communists etc. |
The Tea-Baggers brought that one on themselves, since they "owned" that name until they figured out what it meant in popular parlance. And you'll have to ask Glenn Beck or someone similar how Democrats can be both communists and Nazis at the same time.| It is time for both parties to grow up and compromise on common ground. |
Find some people who are interested in governing instead of party politics. They won't get elected because the vast majority of the populace doesn't understand the difference between the two, and want the politicians to suck up to them.| We wouldn’t have this much of a problem if the 17th amendment was never ratified (in my opinion). |
The biggest problem is that Americans have forgotten that this country was built on the foundation of having an informed and educated populace doing the voting. "News" people who tell lies should be fired for treason. Anyone running for elected office who gets caught lying ought to be disqualified. Liars already in office ought to be impeached.| My point was to say that nobody is interested in really talking in a civil manner anymore in this country. |
Well, some people are laser-focused on demonizing their opposition, like claiming that a recent act by NPR was done out of "political correctness," or insisting against all evidence that only one viewpoint can be heard on NPR programs. Do you really think that someone spouting such egregious falsehoods is "civil" just because he didn't call anyone names? One of the most ridiculous things about this country today is that people think that civility is more important than content - that polite lies are better for us all than rude truths. But that's neither civil nor respectful, it's condescending and unpatriotic.| I will state it again Americans are done with the bickering while our country goes down the crapper. |
The recent election results prove you wrong: it was all about inter-party bickering, since the most-successful campaign strategy of the Republicans was to say, "we're not like those bad people." Yesterday, the American people didn't vote in favor of some positive Republican legislative agenda (do they even have one that makes sense?), they voted against the Democrats. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 14:38:55 [Permalink]
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A Republican agenda:- Don't raise taxes.
- Repeal "Obamacare."
- Stop illegal immigration.
- No national energy tax.
These four things, Bachmann insists, will ensure fixing the economy and make more jobs.  It's an entirely negative agenda, pandering to peoples' fears instead of aiming for good governance.
She also declares that her job is not to be any sort of leader, but is instead just to do whatever her constituents want her to do. She's saying she's nothing more than a mouthpiece of a mob (which is decidedly not one of the principles of our Founders, which Bachmann says are important to get back to). |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 19:25:22 [Permalink]
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I agree with those of you who attribute much of the midterm election results to Democratic incompetence. "My" party should have matched the passion of the Teabaggers with their own, but honest, offensive attacks against the rising rightists. Being overly cautious was fatal.
We should have matched the Teabaggers' paranoid and hate-filled passions with our own righteous indignation about the medieval theocratic dystopia they are trying to create. The Democratic Party failed to even try.
Look at one Democrat who called a spade a spade. Among other such honest statements, House Representative Alan Grayson of Florida had famously said:Grayson summed up the "Republican health care plan" as "'Don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly.'"
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Grayson was specially targeted by the Right, and lost. If Allan Grayson had been effectively supported and emulated by the Democratic Party, and had been just one singer in a huge and harmonious chorus, rather than being shunned and forced to sing solo and a capella, I believe the moderates and liberals of the electorate would not have stayed home in droves, as they did.
Someone needed to speak truth to the Teabaggers, and the Democrats generally failed to bother.
(It would be so sweet to be able to claim that I exiled myself to the Philippines because I presciently saw all this coming. But that would be an egotistical lie. I came here because my Social Security was little security in the US, but allows me to live well in the Philippines.) |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 20:32:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
I came here because my Social Security was little security in the US, but allows me to live well in the Philippines. |
Until Congress snatches it away from you entirely. |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 20:45:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by HalfMooner
I came here because my Social Security was little security in the US, but allows me to live well in the Philippines. |
Until Congress snatches it away from you entirely.
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If that happens, I'll be back, wielding an Igorot head axe. |
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Dave W.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 22:10:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by HalfMooner
If that happens, I'll be back, wielding an Igorot head axe. |
Those look awesome.
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Indeed, what a beautiful design for a horrible headhunting implement. I want one of those, and not just one that's "tourist quality." |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/04/2010 : 03:00:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
I agree with those of yolu who attribute much of the midterm election results to Democratic incompetence. "My" party should have matched the passion of the Teabaggers with their own, but honest, offensive attacks against the rising rightists. Being overly cautious was fatal.
We should have matched the Teabaggers' paranoid and hate-filled passions with our own righteous indignation about the medieval theocratic dystopia they are trying to create. The Democratic Party failed to even try.
Look at one Democrat who called a spade a spade. Among other such honest statements, House Representative Alan Grayson of Florida had famously said:Grayson summed up the "Republican health care plan" as "'Don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly.'"
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Grayson was specially targeted by the Right, and lost. If Allan Grayson had been effectively supported and emulated by the Democratic Party, and had been just one singer in a huge and harmonious chorus, rather than being shunned and forced to sing solo and a capella, I believe the moderates and liberals of the electorate would not have stayed home in droves, as they did.
Someone needed to speak truth to the Teabaggers, and the Democrats generally failed to bother.
(It would be so sweet to be able to claim that I exiled myself to the Philippines because I presciently saw all this coming. But that would be an egotistical lie. I came here because my Social Security was little security in the US, but allows me to live well in the Philippines.)
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Sadly, what the dems are likely to do for the next two years is more of the same. They will probably continue to lack leadership, continue to "compromise" (when I say that I mean they will roll over), and continue to let the rethugs frame all debates.
The result will be them setting themselves up to lose big in 2012.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/04/2010 : 04:07:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Originally posted by HalfMooner
I agree with those of yolu who attribute much of the midterm election results to Democratic incompetence. "My" party should have matched the passion of the Teabaggers with their own, but honest, offensive attacks against the rising rightists. Being overly cautious was fatal.
We should have matched the Teabaggers' paranoid and hate-filled passions with our own righteous indignation about the medieval theocratic dystopia they are trying to create. The Democratic Party failed to even try.
Look at one Democrat who called a spade a spade. Among other such honest statements, House Representative Alan Grayson of Florida had famously said:Grayson summed up the "Republican health care plan" as "'Don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly.'"
[Wikipedia] |
Grayson was specially targeted by the Right, and lost. If Allan Grayson had been effectively supported and emulated by the Democratic Party, and had been just one singer in a huge and harmonious chorus, rather than being shunned and forced to sing solo and a capella, I believe the moderates and liberals of the electorate would not have stayed home in droves, as they did.
Someone needed to speak truth to the Teabaggers, and the Democrats generally failed to bother.
(It would be so sweet to be able to claim that I exiled myself to the Philippines because I presciently saw all this coming. But that would be an egotistical lie. I came here because my Social Security was little security in the US, but allows me to live well in the Philippines.)
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Sadly, what the dems are likely to do for the next two years is more of the same. They will probably continue to lack leadership, continue to "compromise" (when I say that I mean they will roll over), and continue to let the rethugs frame all debates.
The result will be them setting themselves up to lose big in 2012.
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If so, if the dems continue to beg for a congressional ass-raping, then they are whining, little douchebags too stupid and cowardly to hold public office, and unworthy of any consideration at all. The way it stands right now, and I've said this before, I wouldn't vote for a republican even if the lying son-of-a bitch walked on water. I may soon be saying that about the democrats, unless I see some considerable improvement.
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Fripp
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Posted - 11/04/2010 : 05:41:31 [Permalink]
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I completely understand what you're saying, Filth. But NOT voting for the Dems, gutless turds they may be, only encourages the right-wing shitbags to feel that the country sides with them.
What's the saying: "the only thing that evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing"
I am already convinced that the US's "day in the sun" are long behind us and we, as an empire, are steadily crumbling into oblivion as we allow leaders with Dark Ages mentality to keep labeling ideas like "bike sharing" in Denver to be a "United nations" plot (I'm not kidding: some clown in Denver actually said that); to keep suppressing stem-cell research as the work of Satan; to allow Europe and Asia to continue to develop high-speed rail, (an industry that could do incredible wonders here in terms of jobs and economic vitality) while we prop up bloated auto companies and allow our infrastucture to deteriorate (because public works projects are "socialism")...
I could go on and on, but let me say that this is the fall of the American Empire, and I hope it comes sooner rather than later.
Fuck the right. They deserve the bag of shit they're calling perfume.
I wish reliably "leftist" states like Vermont would seriously consider secession. I'd move in a heartbeat.
Let the red-states devolve into third-world shitholes. |
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Fripp
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Posted - 11/04/2010 : 05:54:19 [Permalink]
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As usual, the Rude Pundit hits the nail on the head:
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
| The overwhelming feeling that the Rude Pundit has this morning is utter disgust with a vast number of the people of his nation, this America, for they have demonstrated, once again, that they are selfish, vain, cruel buffoons who are scared by the wrong things and have decided that the best way to handle it is to say, "Fuck it," build isolated bunkers all over the nation, and tell everyone else to leave them the fuck alone. For what is the end result of the vaguely-conceived ideology that was affirmed last night? It is that each of us should have the right to squat in our shitpiles of ignorance, isolated from one another, coveting our precious money, fellating our guns and fucking ourselves against our 50-inch LED screens in our multi-mortgaged, soon-to-be foreclosed on hovels, and if the world outside our caves goes to hell, well, that's because people don't understand how wonderful it is to engorge your faces with poisoned food and asthmatically heave your chest through polluted air and travel on shattered roads and bridges while picking your unmedicated scabs in order to get to work at Wal-Mart for shit wages but at least there's a wall that keeps the Mexicans and the gays out because that's what pissy God and the screaming ghost of Samuel Adams would fucking want for us. Their ultimate goal is to dismantle society itself in favor of Darwinian anarchy. |
This is the America they want, and this is the America they get.
Back to the Rude Pundit...
| We know that they got here because they lied, as they always do, about what this president has accomplished, about how much he tried to work with the GOP, about how genuinely not-liberal Barack Obama is. We know that had the Citizens United decision not unleashed the floodgates of corporate cash, some of the losses might have been mitigated. We know that the shattered nature of contemporary media meant that many people got their news filtered through Rupert Murdoch's ass crack. |
| Shit, making a bunch of poor suckers believe that tax breaks for the wealthy was good for everyone and that environmental and other regulation was bad was the easy part. The win was what mattered. It doesn't matter how much mud you're covered with as long as you put the ball in the end zone. |
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Ebone4rock
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Posted - 11/04/2010 : 08:37:23 [Permalink]
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originally posted by Fripp
I could go on and on, but let me say that this is the fall of the American Empire, and I hope it comes sooner rather than later.
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I highly doubt this is the fall of America. It is way too early yet. We have only been around a couple of hundred years. Egypt, Rome, and Greece all had major governmental crisisssssss (oops....not sure what the plural of crisis is  )and they managed to survive a longer time than we have been around. We have not yet experienced anything as bad as those civilizations have.
As far as the comment about hoping America falls sooner than later....what the fuck kind of asshole, douchebaggish shit is that to say? Go ahead and hate the system all you want but once you get to the point of hoping that America falls then I lose all respect and the only thing you'll get from me is a boot in the ass on your way out the door. |
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Fripp
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Posted - 11/04/2010 : 09:13:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
As far as the comment about hoping America falls sooner than later....what the fuck kind of asshole, douchebaggish shit is that to say?
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What I am about to say is NOT meant to say that the USA is the exact equivalent to Nazi germany, but it is used as an illustrative example of what I am wishing...
Sooo... hypothetically, if you were a citizen of Nazi Germany, but you hated how the Nazis have twisted and deformed the country you grew up in and loved (and many Germans did), wouldn't you wish for the Nazi ruling party to collapse?
Again (because I know someone will misinterpret my point here) I am NOT saying that the US is Nazi Germany.
I was born here, I love so much of what this country has to offer, I love it's founding principles, I love it's geography and terrain. And as a citizen, I have EVERY FUCKING RIGHT to say that the current political climate is an absolute cancer to the fine principles that it was built on. I am sick of our country playing the world's policeman, of our military budget being bloated to untenable levels, of us having a constant huge target on our backs (when's the last time Sweden or Switzerland was labeled as a target for jihad or general attack?), of us having military bases in far flung locations because of 60-year old treaties, of us trying to help others to end up worsening the problem, to being hated regardless of what we do, etc.
When I say I want the empire to collapse, I mean for our role as a world superpower to end, and instead of trying to fix (and usually fucking up) everyone else's problems, we should focus on getting our own house in order.
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"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
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Robb
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Posted - 11/04/2010 : 10:19:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
A Republican agenda:- Don't raise taxes.
- Repeal "Obamacare."
- Stop illegal immigration.
- No national energy tax.
These four things, Bachmann insists, will ensure fixing the economy and make more jobs. It's an entirely negative agenda, pandering to peoples' fears instead of aiming for good governance.
She also declares that her job is not to be any sort of leader, but is instead just to do whatever her constituents want her to do. She's saying she's nothing more than a mouthpiece of a mob (which is decidedly not one of the principles of our Founders, which Bachmann says are important to get back to).
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Why is this a negative agenda? Are you aware that most conservatives
do not want higher taxes
do not think the federal government has the power to force people to buy a private product through coercion
do not believe illigal immigrants should get amnesty
do not want higher taxes
These are what conservatives believe and want for this country. What should she say instead? Why can't we discuss these things without hatred, race cards etc.?
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 11/04/2010 : 10:31:41 [Permalink]
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Check out what the CATO Institute thinks are good cuts to the budget:Some initial targets for GOP reformers, with rough annual savings, could include: community development subsidies ($15 billion), public housing subsidies ($9 billion), urban transit subsidies ($9 billion), and foreign development aid ($18 billion). On the entitlement side, initial cuts could include raising the retirement age for Social Security and introducing progressive price indexing to reduce the growth rate of future benefits. In short: fuck the poor. Let 'em live in shitty apartments with shitty air, and make 'em work longer.
Nevermind that the suggested cuts with numbers (above) amount to a total of merely 3.4% of the 2010 deficit (and 1.4% of the total budget). It's "a start," but it's a start on the backs of those most in need of public support. Cutting the Defense budget my a mere 7.7% gets us the same savings and won't leave us defenseless. |
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