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Dana
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 Posted - 01/08/2011 : 21:35:54
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RE: Whats the policy on "Problem posters"
I have notice a lot of people have been "banned" at another board I am on. In that situation, real people were being mistaken for spammers. It made me think: "Why" were so many being banned !?? In other words, What do the Mods do with "problem posters" ?
It is not that easy to tell the difference between a spammer and a actual new poster. It seems the "report discussion problems" thread was lost during the recent disk space problem. Would it be a good idea to start a new one?
Also, there's another spammer . . . This is an example of signature spamming for traffic to a Website. Their Website can increase their rank in search engines like Google by increasing the number of websites that reference them.
Sometimes, Moderators are requested all the time to cross-link with other websites that have nothing whatsoever to do with the normal debates, and were not always turned down. But it's always very easy to create references to a certain website at discussion boards like this one by simply including the link in a message (there are companies that will do this for you). And this is just what this spammer has done.
And so the Moderator will edit that message and break that link while leaving the message appearing exactly as it already does. Thus, when they check back in a week or so to make sure the message is still there, it will appear that all is well when it isn't, and they won't make another attempt to post the link.
Another problem poster type were these specific guys who wanted to know something. People screamed :"Spammer", although they clearly were not. So, The Mods banned them to error on the side of caution, I guess. It really made me think about who is a spammer? Someone asking a question or a real spammer. It was all in the phrasing at my other board . . Okay! That is universal to web forums. What's the deal on this forum? I noticed three were dropped in the other board because they "seemed like" a spammer. Believe you me. Honestly, This all stemmed from a simple misunderstanding. But they were dropped none the less. Need some feedback.
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Edited by - Dana on 01/08/2011 22:59:09
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/08/2011 : 22:14:55 [Permalink]
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Welcome to the SFN.
I'm not sure what you're asking, here. Our policy is to do as we see fit, we have nothing set in stone. If you give us more specific examples, we might be able to say what we'd do in a hypothetical sense. |
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
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Posted - 01/08/2011 : 22:46:28 [Permalink]
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Don't post the same kind of stuff I always do and you'll be fine; I'm blackmailing the mods here so that these berks can't do a thing to me!
 
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Dana
New Member
USA
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 Posted - 01/08/2011 : 23:10:04 [Permalink]
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I love the comments you made "the_Ignored". MyThanx.
I am not too concerned myself.
| Our policy is to do as we see fit, we have nothing set in stone |
I said there is this way of phrasing. Something about someone bring up a particular "book". Just asking about it. All of a sudden, they are all now some sort of-a advocate for the author (or work for the man). When can someone ask about something without sounding like they work for the author/publisher of the book. People cry "spammer" and you are labeled one,.That is just one example. As if external forces were coming to bare,. I have seen this many times. You know, Not everybody is Net savvy. H-e-l-l some folks I know are still using ' 'dial-up' |
I did all I could . . .
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 01/08/2011 : 23:18:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dana
I love the comments you made "the_Ignored". MyThanx.
I am not too concerned myself.
| Our policy is to do as we see fit, we have nothing set in stone |
Something about someone bring up a particular "book". Just asking about it. All of a sudden, they are all now some advocate for the author. When can someone ask about something without sounding like they work for the author/publisher of the book. That is just one example. As if external force were coming to bare,. I have seen this many times. You know, Not everybody is Net savvy. H-e-l-l some folks I know are still using ' 'dial-up'
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It's not easy to get banned from SFN. That's not to say that it doesn't happen. But we are pretty generous before we go into banning mode.
Obvious spammers, like someone who's first post links to some site selling stuff that would not be of interest to a skeptic will get the boot. But if it's skeptic related, we are pretty open.
We do watch for trolls. But even the trolls get some latitude from us. It just depends on how they behave, really.
On this site, we try to treat adults like they are adults. Of course, that doesn't always work...
Welcome to SFN, Dana. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 01/08/2011 : 23:25:36 [Permalink]
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By the way. I've been planning on banning the ignored for years now. I just haven't gotten around to it yet...
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
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Dave W.
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Dana
New Member
USA
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Posted - 01/09/2011 : 00:08:47 [Permalink]
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Folks on the Net can't always tell when youre being   funny or being a little sarcastic YOU should find a Problem, and it being a common one. Some of us noticed "banana man" wrote a title passing itself off as a "Comparative Religion" work.But if you, Look at the other works of his. You see. I mean, That he could write a book about that. PLEASE! A actual real-world example, that is. IMHO, Ray Comfort could not turn this into that, it is utterly impossible. |
I did all I could . . .
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/09/2011 : 00:36:09 [Permalink]
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| I must say that I'm having problems parsing your comment, Dana. Are you saying someone, somewhere, got banned from some forum for asking some sarcastic question about some book by Ray Comfort, and that I should be concerned about that? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 01/09/2011 : 05:49:18 [Permalink]
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Welcome to SFN Dana!
Here we simply say what's on our minds and if someone doesn't like it, well, he/she is perfectly free to object as strenously as they see fit. Fur has been known to fly in these boards.
As stated earlier, it's not easy to get banned from SFN -- hell, I'm still here, ain't I?
Some of us actually like "problem posters" and consider troll-bashing to be in the nature of a participant sport. Me, I would like to see the notorious Dennis Makuse reenstated, thereby saving him the fuss & bother of inventing less than coherent sock puppets to shriek at us.
Anyhow, join the fray; we'll have some fun and learn stuff in the process.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 01/09/2011 : 05:54:35 [Permalink]
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Please, Dana... Spell it out.
You're being way too cryptic. Which discussion board are you referring to?
I've heard complaints about JREF-forum, where moderators and admins are said to be running double-standards and such.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 01/09/2011 : 20:09:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dana
I love the comments you made "the_Ignored". MyThanx.
I am not too concerned myself.
| Our policy is to do as we see fit, we have nothing set in stone |
I said there is this way of phrasing. Something about someone bring up a particular "book". Just asking about it. All of a sudden, they are all now some sort of-a advocate for the author (or work for the man). When can someone ask about something without sounding like they work for the author/publisher of the book. People cry "spammer" and you are labeled one,.That is just one example. As if external forces were coming to bare,. I have seen this many times. You know, Not everybody is Net savvy. H-e-l-l some folks I know are still using ' 'dial-up'
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OK. We have survived several bouts of Noam Chomsky is right/deranged/speaking outside his expertice and wrong with no one being banned.
We have even taken people who advocate a particular author (as long as it isn't an advertisement taken word for word from a website) as long as it doesn't present a USC Title 15 issue. We have even had the Pure Investor scam artists here trying to peddle their wares and defend their Ponzi scheme..... I mean, product.
We have banned some people, but this was due to obvious spam activity (such as private messaging people 419 scam messages, advertizing booty-call/dating websites, etc.)
Then there are the ultra-abusive posters who are only interested in putting forth their ideas, refusing to defend them, and threatening other users.
Without a real example of what kind of situation you are looking for, I'm afraid we are at an empasse between what you are asking for and what we can respond to.
Please elaborate on the subject. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/09/2011 : 23:04:27 [Permalink]
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This is a bizarre thread... I honestly have no firm idea what Dana is trying to say/ask.
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Dana
New Member
USA
5 Posts |
Posted - 01/10/2011 : 12:23:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Please, Dana... Spell it out.
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I am sorry, first of all I am NOT talking about this board.
I dont really know how to approach all this at all. Without seeming like I have either been pathetically crying over a cup of hot Cocoa or without it sounding lame or somewhat childish. Im glad that forums have Moderators, I just wish I understood Moderators better. I can't understand why the moderators don't try to keep those who might become a problem (suspicious), to one area of a forum. The upshot is, Mods drop the facade "good old moderator", to a more ugly "handling business" moderator. Turning the general atmosphere to a hostile one. I think the one about to be banned feels hostility or intense animosity towards the local sheriff. What I am really talking about is how someone bring up a specific topic, makes it sound as if it is a semi-troll or spammer. Sometimes posters really arent needed to be "dealt with". Again, it's real people were being mistaken for spammers.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 01/10/2011 : 13:08:21 [Permalink]
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Dana, if you want to start a thread about a particular topic, go for it. In general, it's not going to get you banned. We do ban serial spam-posters, but let's assume you're not one of those. If we feel that your post is an attempt to sell a product or direct traffic to your site, we may remove the post and warn you of your actions. Only after significant and repeated violations of general web decorum would you get banned.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 08:17:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
If we feel that your post is an attempt to sell a product or direct traffic to your site, we may remove the post and warn you of your actions. |
There are examples here on SFN where the Moderator simply removed the commercial link, to let the rest of the post remain.
Dana, moderators aren't all molded in the same form. We're all individuals. As such, some of us are more sensitive than others. Ultimately, it's the administration's job to select moderators they feel competent to perform their duties.
If someone feels that they (or someone else) is being unfairly treated by a moderator, then the administration should be made aware of the problem. If they fail to do anything about it, and the complaint it legit, then it's time to re-evaluate the point of visiting the forum in question.
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Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
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RE: What's the policy on "Problem posters"
