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le Penseur
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 Posted - 03/11/2011 : 22:49:39 [Permalink]
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Humbert | Especially when you damage your credibility by misidentifying flying insects as alien vehicles. |
I've done no such thing. I agree with the two video analysts, as well as Peter Davenport and the FBI agents, who thought the video was of significant importance that they brought it to the attention of Military Intelligence. None of whom think it was an "insect". Only you in this room have come to that misguided conclusion.
Repeat your lie as often as you like, it will still be a lie. |
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Dave W.
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2011 : 22:57:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Baxter
The gospels, extra-biblical references and the early Christians constitute a lot of evidence for historicity. There's no good reason to doubt that Jesus was a man widely regarded as a teacher/healer who was executed.
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Jesus of Nazareth as a historical figure fares quite well regardless of the validity of the miracle accounts. |
No, the miracle accounts are the Gospels. If the Gospels are unreliable, then all we're left with is "extra-biblical references and the early Christians." So far as I've seen, the former only acknowledge the beliefs of the latter, which doesn't suggest that those beliefs are true. And if the latter constitute evidence for the historicity of Jesus, then the early Scientologists constitute evidence for the historicity of Xenu. There is no confluence of independent inductions here to suggest a strong hypothesis. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 23:02:59 [Permalink]
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Le Penseur.....
Do the Aliens have any concept of a diety (God, in common parlance)? If yes, is it explicable in terms that humans can understamd? If not, what is their rationale for no such thing as God ?
If this is an irrational or improper question, I apologize, and please ignore it!
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le Penseur
Banned
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142 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2011 : 23:03:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Baxter
Originally posted by le Penseur
let's see some evidence for that. The vatican admits the gospels were not written by the apostles, are you privvy to information they are not? |
It's possible that the authors of Matthew and John may have been Jesus' disciples, or at least eyewitnesses. It may not be likely, but it's not out of the question.
| Really? What evidence are you referring to exactly? There is absolutely no mention of Jesus during his entire lifetime, the gospels were written 80 years -150 years after his alleged birth. And they only purport to document the last three years of his life. You say there is alot of evidence ? Where, exactly? |
These things that you list are neither surprising nor important requisite evidence for a religious teacher of that time. The gospels, extra-biblical references and the early Christians constitute a lot of evidence for historicity. There's no good reason to doubt that Jesus was a man widely regarded as a teacher/healer who was executed.
Yes it is.
You claim the existence of a man who raised people from the dead, cured leprosy and blindness with a touch, a man who rose from the dead himself is not an extraordinary claim? Of course it is.
And you can't separate christ from his miracles when the only evidence for his existence are the four books of the gospel which all dwell on his alleged miracles.
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Jesus of Nazareth as a historical figure fares quite well regardless of the validity of the miracle accounts.
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You have not supported your claims with any evidence whatsoever. Apart from your admitting that I'm most likely completely correct when I stated that none of the apostles wrote the gospels, you offer nothing new or supportive to your claim.
| The gospels, extra-biblical references and the early Christians constitute a lot of evidence for historicity. |
Except there are no 'extra-biblical' documents referencing Jesus Christ from that era, and the earliest Christians don't show up for a full 100 years after his alleged birth. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 23:07:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Humbert | Especially when you damage your credibility by misidentifying flying insects as alien vehicles. |
Repeat your lie as often as you like, it will still be a lie.
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And you can act as confident as you like, but so long as you continue to fail to address the many problems we raised with your hypothesis, I'm not going to be very swayed by your appeals to authority. Especially when you a) recognize them as authorities only when it suits your purpose, and b) distort what conclusions they came to. Right know all we know is that the FBI looked into the incident, and we only know that because Dave W. did all your research for you. We still don't have any statement from the FBI agreeing with your conclusion that it was an alien craft, although I think if the government had made such an admission the press would have picked up on it by now.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 00:03:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
I agree with the two video analysts, as well as Peter Davenport and the FBI agents, who thought the video was of significant importance that they brought it to the attention of Military Intelligence. None of whom think it was an "insect". |
So you know of testimony from the FBI agents? What are their names? Where can I read or listen to their opinions on the object in question? Who, specifically, is the "they" who "brought it to the attention of Military Intelligence?" What specific military intelligence group was it? What did this group think of the video?
Edited to add: how can we know when government people like FBI agents or military intelligence personnel are telling us the truth, versus when they are spreading disinformation to throw people like you off the truth?
By the way, I see you're only two posts away from being 10% of the way to a thousand posts. Congrats on being so prolific! |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/12/2011 : 03:40:21 [Permalink]
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Let's ap[ply Ockham's Razor to the video, then. Which is the simpler explanation; an alien space craft with all the baggage that carries, or a scarab on the wing?
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 11:20:56 [Permalink]
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Le Penseur.....
You have alluded briefly in one of your former posts to your impression that the Aliens were not necessarily of extragalactic or even extraterrestrial origin. Could you elaborate some upon that concept with focus upon what you understand their actual place (or time) of origin may be?
If the are not from another star's planet, are they time travelers or dimension-crossers? I would really appreciate any insight you may be able to provide to this, important to me at least, question.
Is it appropriate to consider them alive, in exactly the same sense that you and I are alive?
Thank you, Le Penseur, and thank you again for returning to post in SFN
Did you read my PM?
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2011 : 12:47:27 [Permalink]
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angry baby sez: | By the way, I see you're only two posts away from being 10% of the way to a thousand posts. Congrats on being so prolific! |
LOL way to spin! Sure you're not in politics? I have 98 posts and you're cruising on to 21,000.....calling me prolific? Aw, looks like I hit a nerve when I pointed out that only a person without an active life could ever possibly 'achieve' your level of posting, DW.
Trust me, if I ever hit even 1,000 posts here in Denial Bog, you all have permission to toss me off a cliff. Until then, you can just toss me off.
Keep up the bad work! |
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The Rat
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 14:24:43 [Permalink]
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Excuse my presumptive rudeness, but I can't believe that people have so far wasted 34 pages of bandwidth on a pathetic fuckwit who has no concept of reality. He's possibly three levels of crazy above Markuze, and sinking lower.
We now return you to my regularly scheduled apathy. |
Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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4574 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2011 : 14:28:59 [Permalink]
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le Penseur, it's extremely peculiar that you express such lordly disdain over the fact that that we don't believe you, almost as if that is what you wanted all along. You would think someone who carried such a burden of knowledge as you would feel like a complete and abject failure at not being able to convince anyone of what you "know." Even in Greek mythology, Cassandra's inability to convincingly warn anyone of impending tragedy was a source of endless pain and frustration. But not you. You just like feeling special and smarter than all us "close-minded" people, even though you demonstrate yourself to be quite close-minded on subjects you've arbitrarily decided to reject. This whole thing is just an ego trip for you. In the absence of evidence, the only thing you had to offer was your own credibility, and now you've gone and blown that too. It's funny how the aliens only ever seem to abduct emotionally-unstable narcissists with the complete inability to think critically or engage in honest self-reflection. They must just have thing for your type.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2011 : 14:29:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by The Rat
He's possibly three levels of crazy above Markuze, and sinking lower. |
At least he's confining himself to one thread, while Markuze would vomit all over the forums if given free reign. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
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The Rat
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 15:37:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by The Rat
He's possibly three levels of crazy above Markuze, and sinking lower. |
At least he's confining himself to one thread, while Markuze would vomit all over the forums if given free reign.
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True, but then everybody has at least one good point about their lives. Even Hitler may have been useful as an organ donor, or a doorstop. (Not meaning to invoke Godwin...) |
Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
Baculum's page: http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=3947338590 |
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le Penseur
Banned
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142 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2011 : 18:37:54 [Permalink]
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TheRat: | Excuse my presumptive rudeness, but I can't believe that people have so far wasted 34 pages of bandwidth on a pathetic fuckwit who has no concept of reality. |
pathetic fuckwit? Well,aren't you every bit the Elizabethan poet your avatar would indicate. What a clever turn of phrase. You're like Edward DeVere, if he suffered from mental retardation and Tourette's syndrome. You're a vulgar nobody, and I'm confident humanity will be better off if you abstain from reproducing. |
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le Penseur
Banned
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142 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2011 : 18:51:20 [Permalink]
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filthy: | Let's ap[ply Ockham's Razor to the video, then. Which is the simpler explanation; an alien space craft with all the baggage that carries, or a scarab on the wing? |
well, filthy, it's actually Occam's razor, not Ockham, but that's a common mistake.
Remember Occam himself used "Occam's razor", and came to the conclusion that the sun revolved around the Earth! Think about that.
Be that as it may, it is most likely that it is exactly what it looks like; a large, cylindrical object with four perpendicular extentions or fins, traveling at a height of over 5,000 feet and moving at a very high rate of speed. This was the conclusion of both video analysts who examined it as well.
An alien space craft carries a lot of baggage? Really? Only if you have invested time and energy into denying their existence, which is a losing battle.
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ETs are here, despite guesses to the contrary
