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Dave W.
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 Posted - 03/12/2011 : 19:21:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
well, filthy, it's actually Occam's razor, not Ockham, but that's a common mistake. |
Ockham's Razor was named after William of Ockham who was born in Ockham, Surrey, England. The Dunning-Kruger Effect is responsible for many common mistakes like that.| Be that as it may, it is most likely that it is exactly what it looks like; a large, cylindrical object with four perpendicular extentions or fins, traveling at a height of over 5,000 feet and moving at a very high rate of speed. |
The total number of unstated premises behind such a conclusion is staggering. You can't apply Ockham's Razor without bringing them all out into the light.| This was the conclusion of both video analysts who examined it as well. |
Neither of whom even mentioned optical saturation (even to criticize it!), so their expertise is questionable, at best. |
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le Penseur
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 21:03:03 [Permalink]
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Dave W. | Ockham's Razor was named after William of Ockham who was born in Ockham, Surrey, England. The Dunning-Kruger Effect is responsible for many common mistakes like that. |
I stand corrected, my humble apologies to filthy, and thanks to DaveW.
On that point alone, of course. |
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Dave W.
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le Penseur
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 21:15:00 [Permalink]
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Of course, it should be also be said That the Dunning Kruger effect is responsible for DaveW. being so completely rong about aliens and UFOs in the first place. His confident ignorance stems from his illusion of superiority, the misguided belief that he is above average, smarter than all the witnesses like me. He thinks he is so superior, he is confident to tell all of the rest of us what we experienced didn't actually happen. It's hubris at a magnificent level. Like daveW. would somehow know more about what astronauts, pilots, police, and everybody else say happened than the witnesses at the scene.
Classic example of Dunning Kruger syndrome. Textbook case. |
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le Penseur
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 21:20:59 [Permalink]
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| wrong. -typo |
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le Penseur
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 21:47:56 [Permalink]
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How convenient to diagnose a syndrome in the person you are disagreeing with...."you are incompetent and incompetent people overestimate their competence! Dunning Kruger! Dunning Kruger!"
Further, it seems that to cite the Dunning Kruger effect is in a very real sense to display symptoms of it.
In words you will understand, you smelt it, you dealt it.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/12/2011 : 23:45:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
He thinks he is so superior, he is confident to tell all of the rest of us what we experienced didn't actually happen. |
I've already explained how you're completely wrong about that, and I've never once said that what you experienced didn't happen. I want to believe, but am unable to do so in the light of an absence of hard evidence and the stonewalling of abductees like yourself. Your claim that I think otherwise is to claim that you can read my mind, and that I'm lying. Did the aliens give you that ability?
On another note, one thing that's odd (but predictable) is that with the insect video - something you did not experience - you take mere disagreement as a personal affront that deserves insults. You've apparently entered a dog in that race, despite it having nothing to do with you.| It's hubris at a magnificent level. |
Projection.| Like daveW. would somehow know more about what astronauts, pilots, police, and everybody else say happened than the witnesses at the scene. |
I don't think I do. But with the insect video, there was only a cameraman who is apparently unfamiliar with the optical saturation effect at the scene, and he saw nothing when the alleged alien craft zipped by overhead. The only evidence is on video tape, there is no "at the scene" testimony. And you are either unable or unwilling to provide anyone's direct testimony, despite seemingly knowing what they thought. It's difficult to look into the light when you keep refusing to turn it on, le Penseur.| Classic example of Dunning Kruger syndrome. Textbook case. |
Since you think "that to cite the Dunning Kruger effect is in a very real sense to display symptoms of it," you have just provided evidence that I'm correct. Go figure that one.
Oh, you also wrote:You know there's an edit function available to you for seven days after you write something. That you chose instead to write a whole 'nother comment to correct a mere typo makes it seem like you're trying to pad your post count (105 and counting). Perhaps you thought that people would jump all over you for a simple typing mistake while you were trying to insult someone (since that's what you do) and panicked. Dunno.
Hey, here's a serious question for you, le Penseur: how can a person objectively tell the difference between government disinformation and government truth? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 01:39:31 [Permalink]
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Le Penseur.....
Do you have any information on the Alien's motives in visiting all portions of the Earth for hundreds of our years, and in abducting large numbers of apparently normal people such as you and your family?
I have, of course, read a great deal about the physical examinations of abductees, and noted your rejection of the "anal probing" as invented by Whitley Streiber. I also am aware of various suggestions of controlled Alien/Human cross breeding for unknown purposes, but there has been so much written on these subjects that it is difficult to assign truth or credibility values to much of it.
As you have noted earlier, there has been much exploitation of the UFO/UAP/ET/Alien Abduction phenomena. A lay person such as myself has difficulty in separating the wheat from the chaff.
Your list of extraordinary topics ranging from Aliens through Jesus, Ghosts, Moonlanding Hoax, and 9/11 conspiracy was of special interest to me. Is the Aliens topic related in some way to the other topics?
Is there specific information on any of the above that you could post on SFN, or e-mail, postal mail, or telephone to me? I will be happy to pay any costs involved. I would greatly appreciate a public or private reply, as you may choose!
Bill Buck
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le Penseur
Banned
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 02:23:56 [Permalink]
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angry baby sez: Since you think "that to cite the Dunning Kruger effect is in a very real sense to display symptoms of it," you have just provided evidence that I'm correct. Go figure that one.
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Wow. Have you you really forgotten that it was YOU who cited the Dunning Kruger effect? You even provided a link to it!
And I stand by my statement, "that to cite the Dunning Kruger effect is to display symptoms of it." Glad you agree with my observation on that one, you being the one who cited it.
You're winning, daveW, in the same sense that Charlie Sheen is winning.
Go figure indeed.
My girlfriend has read through your posts and her advice to me is "Don't feed the trolls". Apparently, daveW, you are a troll, and paying any further attention to you is a waste of time.. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 03:13:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
filthy: | Let's ap[ply Ockham's Razor to the video, then. Which is the simpler explanation; an alien space craft with all the baggage that carries, or a scarab on the wing? |
well, filthy, it's actually Occam's razor, not Ockham, but that's a common mistake.
Remember Occam himself used "Occam's razor", and came to the conclusion that the sun revolved around the Earth! Think about that.
Be that as it may, it is most likely that it is exactly what it looks like; a large, cylindrical object with four perpendicular extentions or fins, traveling at a height of over 5,000 feet and moving at a very high rate of speed. This was the conclusion of both video analysts who examined it as well.
An alien space craft carries a lot of baggage? Really? Only if you have invested time and energy into denying their existence, which is a losing battle.
[Edited to fix quoting - Dave W.]
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I know how to spel it and prefer it the way I just did. Don't like it; don't read it.
How exactly is a flying insect more complicated than a mechanical devise crewed by creatures from wherever?
Actually, relatively speaking, I have invested very little time and energy in this delusion -- about as much as I have given Nessie, or maybe slightly less.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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le Penseur
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 05:18:29 [Permalink]
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I am giving up responding to trolls for lent. Here's a perfect example of why:
This is DaveW.'s most important question, he has felt it important enough to ask it a half-dozen times, so let's take a look and see if there's any real substance to it at all.
DaveW. sez : | le Penseur, how can we tell when the government is lying to us, and when it is telling the truth? |
Wow. Well, what do you mean by the government? Are you talking about your local councilman? Your assemblyman?
Have you had reason to question the truthfulness of the County Judge? Town Supervisor? Have they consistently lied to you?
Has the Department of Public Works lied to you about the timetable for fixing a pothole?
Has the Librarian been deceitful or evasive about acquiring a book you'd like?
What about the mailmen? Here's an idea: go down to the post office, ask the postal employee what time they close. Then come back at that time, and see if they actually close, that would indicate if he was telling the truth.
It's a preposterous question. Do I really have to explain that the government is made up of millions of individuals?
Is a Fish and Wildlife Commissioner in upper Michigan prone to telling untruths in an official capacity? Are they more dishonest than, say, a city health inspector, inspecting the kitchens of restaurants for code violations?
I'm no mind reader, perhaps DaveW meant the president, or congress, or both, I don't know and I don't like to guess. Maybe he meant the people in intelligence offices.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 06:03:31 [Permalink]
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So why didn't you go to some one in the government to report your abductions? I'm sure you could have found a trusting and sympathetic person to hear you out!
Seriously, how stupid are you? Did you forget your anti government rant at the start of this thread?
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-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 06:38:01 [Permalink]
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Jesum-Crow! thirty-five (count ‘em; 35!) pages and running! I'm not sure if I and bngbuck & Halfmooner have enough lifetime left to see it to the end -- assuming there is one.
We're not anything like approaching the records set by verlch, Big Brain and JEROME DA GNOME yet. For those not familiar with these gentlemen, they were some rip-snorters that took us on some pretty wild rides. As did HYBRID, who, if memory serves, was into giants (Nehalem?)  . He had such a bad temper that he was just too easy.
See le Penseur, they and others like them are the reason that I don't take this stuff seriously. In all of the years I have been doing this, I/we have yet to change anyone's mind. I don't know why but the very best, most positive and factual evidence can be presented, in excruciating detail, and it will be ignored or buried in apologetics. So these days, I’m pretty much in it for the amusement and to learn a little from the various postings. And to pass along a little knowledge of my own to the lurkers, all of whom love Natural History. 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 08:20:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
This is DaveW.'s most important question, he has felt it important enough to ask it a half-dozen times... |
So you should know the context pretty well by now, but you've chosen to ignore it to mock me, instead. I think it's because you can't answer the question.| Well, what do you mean by the government? |
Let's start with Air Force consultant Dr. J. Allen Hyneck who, according to you, "spent his life trying to silence" abductees, but who you've also cited approvingly. How can we objectively discriminate between Hyneck's disinformation and his true statements?| (to be continued, I guess...) |
After Easter? We should be so lucky. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 08:35:35 [Permalink]
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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ETs are here, despite guesses to the contrary
