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le Penseur
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Dude writes:
Provide any one of the following:
1. A live ET, tell them to come over to my place for a drink. I have some high quality single malt waiting for a special occasion.
2. A dead ET. I will tell you where to take it for a full analysis. Starting with a general autopsy and proceeding from there as it merits it, down to the molecular level.
3. ET tech that does something no human tech can do.
4. Tell them to come abduct me (just no probing please). A ride on one of their ships might do the trick, I'll bring my HD video camera too.
If you can't do something along those lines, then you are only going to be met with ridicule. |
I didn't respond to this list earlier because I thought it was a joke, to lighten the tone with a little levity. I didn't realize you were trying to be serious, everyone else has pretty much understood the parameters of this conversation and reacted with thoughtful questions, which I am doing my best to answer. |
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SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/26/2011 : 21:45:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Dude writes:
Provide any one of the following:
1. A live ET, tell them to come over to my place for a drink. I have some high quality single malt waiting for a special occasion.
2. A dead ET. I will tell you where to take it for a full analysis. Starting with a general autopsy and proceeding from there as it merits it, down to the molecular level.
3. ET tech that does something no human tech can do.
4. Tell them to come abduct me (just no probing please). A ride on one of their ships might do the trick, I'll bring my HD video camera too.
If you can't do something along those lines, then you are only going to be met with ridicule. |
I didn't respond to this list earlier because I thought it was a joke, to lighten the tone with a little levity. I didn't realize you were trying to be serious, everyone else has pretty much understood the parameters of this conversation and reacted with thoughtful questions, which I am doing my best to answer.
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Do you understand the problem that exists when there is no mechanism that allows others to distinguish between your story and a made up story? If it is impossible to tell which one is real and which one is made up, then the appropriate reaction is to dismiss your story out of hand. It can't be taken any more seriously than an alien sci-fi story if I can't tell the difference between the two. (I'll admit, I do take my sci-fi seriously, inside the context anyway).
I'll also admit I was busting your chops wit that list, but I thought you might just be some troll in here looking to provoke a response. As filthy says, you could just be running a clever poe.
If you actually want to engage in a thoughtful conversation about alien abductions(hint: the "thoughtful" questions you mentioned, you should examine them closely to discern the actual topic you are being questioned on) then there has to be some way to move beyond the inability to separate your story from a random science fiction story.
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le Penseur
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 02:27:48 [Permalink]
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Kil :
| So you never felt particularly traumatized? |
Sure I have, Kil, in fact, I did state clearly that during the abduction I 'totally lost it' and started screaming.
But when you ask if it ruined my life with PTSD, I don't feel it has. You admit this is consistent with the claims of most alleged alien abductees, but you insist it is still inconsistent. You say children abused by adult humans are traumatized, so I should be too. Seems like I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't by that standard.
| How about your mom? Both she and you seemed to be pretty frantic when the aliens arrived. |
Yes we were, and, over the years, my mother has not been as successful as my brothers and I at not allowing the situation to become ocassionally overwhelming. She preferred if we never talked about it. But, she's good these days. Too many human problems and concerns to worry about it. It helps that we haven't had an incident in a long time, not since we first 'went public' a few years back.
| I find it more than a little odd that you did not seek out people with similar experiences |
Really, that seems odd to you? In 1968? In 1974? In the late 1950s when my Mom was first abducted? Who would YOU have contacted and how would YOU have sought out other abductees?
There was NO ONE to contact. Simple as that. In fact, there was no talk about alien abductions, I didn't even hear about any abduction in the media until years later. It wasn't until after that James Earl Jones made-for-TV movie about the Betty and Barney Hill case that the public slowly became aware of alien abduction claims.
To make this a little more clear how isolated our incident seemed, as of 1974, we didn't even know they were aliens, and we didn't call them aliens. My brother described them as "men, but not men". It wasn't until "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", that popular culture intersected with what had happened to us.
| Your almost just a matter of fact account of what happened to you multipal times would cause most people to be seriously traumatized and seek help if it happened to them. |
I did state up front that I was just trying to give a brief outline of a complicated event, to call an outline a 'matter of fact account' isn't fair. I'm sure the outline to Steven King's "The Shining" didn't scare anybody.
| Having said that, I am aware that many people who claim alien abduction live regular lives and feel no need to deal with a serious trauma and one that could happen again. So I have to wonder, why not? |
Kil, I think the answer has something to do with the mental abilities of these aliens. These beings can project their thoughts into your mind, they can read your mind and know what you're thinking as fast as you can think it. They can paralyze a person standing in place, unable to physically move. They also seem to be able to mask part or all of the abduction from the minds of some abductees. As you say, a large number of abductees have missing time. In fact, when I speak with another abductee, I find the people whose accounts have gaps or missing time to be more believable. Some of my experiences have gaps. This ability to at least partially cover their tracks may allow abductees to lead lives relatively undamaged by the events.
| Also, in about 75% of the cases of claimed alien abduction, the memory of the event is either fuzzy or it's reported as time lost. Eventually the memory becomes clearer through one technic or another, and the story is told. That's clearly not the case with you and your family. |
I question the number in that statistic, politely. And it is not wholly accurate to say that doesn't apply to my family as well, based solely on this incident in 1974.
Thank you for the insightful questions, Kil. |
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le Penseur
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 02:48:17 [Permalink]
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Dude, Thank you for admitting you were busting my chops there!
And thanks, I'm well aware these guys are just trying to see at what point I reveal myself to be insane. I can tell by the questions, clearly. If they took me seriously for even one second, I could answer some truly important questions fairly accurately. It's a shame, really. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 08:03:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Really, that seems odd to you? In 1968? In 1974? In the late 1950s when my Mom was first abducted? Who would YOU have contacted and how would YOU have sought out other abductees?
There was NO ONE to contact. Simple as that. |
Air Force Projects Sign, Grudge and Blue Book ran from 1947 to 1970. Civilian groups active at the times you mention include (but aren't limited to):- Amalgamated Flying Saucer Clubs of America, Inc (1956-1984+)
- APRO (1952-1988)
- Civilian Saucer Intelligence New York (1954-1959)
- MUFON (1969-today)
- NICAP (1956-today)
- NUFORC (1974-today)
Dozens (if not hundreds) of books had been published by the mid-1970s (some even best-sellers), including the 1974 classic UFOs Explained by Philip J. Klass, who, had your family contacted him, could possibly have brought the expertise and resources of CSICOP to bear on your situation.| In fact, there was no talk about alien abductions, I didn't even hear about any abduction in the media until years later. It wasn't until after that James Earl Jones made-for-TV movie about the Betty and Barney Hill case that the public slowly became aware of alien abduction claims. |
That movie was The UFO Incident, and it played in 1975, which certainly wasn't "years later" than 1974. Furthermore, the Hill's story made front-page news in 1965, and was written up in a popular book, The Interrupted Journey in 1966 (Time magazine reviewed it).| To make this a little more clear how isolated our incident seemed, as of 1974, we didn't even know they were aliens, and we didn't call them aliens. My brother described them as "men, but not men". It wasn't until "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", that popular culture intersected with what had happened to us. |
Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind began filming in 1976, and all of its themes had been well-established in the public mind before then. Popular culture wasn't driven by the film, it was eagerly awaiting something like it. |
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 08:48:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Dude, Thank you for admitting you were busting my chops there!
And thanks, I'm well aware these guys are just trying to see at what point I reveal myself to be insane. I can tell by the questions, clearly. If they took me seriously for even one second, I could answer some truly important questions fairly accurately. It's a shame, really.
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I don't think anyone here thinks you are insane, I don't.
But I really would like some way to tell the difference between your story and fiction. Without that, no one can take you seriously with regard to the events you describe. There are other reasons to listen to what you have to say, and I don't want to discourage you from relating your experiences, so please keep going.
Just tell me that you understand what I'm saying, that nothing you have claimed here can be considered to have actually happened outside your head unless you can provide a way to tell the difference between your story and a fictional one.
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le Penseur
Banned
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 10:30:54 [Permalink]
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Dave says:
Air Force Projects Sign, Grudge and Blue Book ran from 1947 to 1970. Civilian groups active at the times you mention include (but aren't limited to):
* Amalgamated Flying Saucer Clubs of America, Inc (1956-1984+)
* APRO (1952-1988)
* Civilian Saucer Intelligence New York (1954-1959)
* MUFON (1969-today)
* NICAP (1956-today)
* NUFORC (1974-today) |
then he goes on..
| Dozens (if not hundreds) of books had been published by the mid-1970s (some even best-sellers), including the 1974 classic UFOs Explained by Philip J. Klass, who, had your family contacted him, could possibly have brought the expertise and resources of CSICOP to bear on your situation. |
and on.. | That movie was The UFO Incident, and it played in 1975, which certainly wasn't "years later" than 1974. Furthermore, the Hill's story made front-page news in 1965, and was written up in a popular book, The Interrupted Journey in 1966 (Time magazine reviewed it). |
On and on. All those marvelous resources available to help me! lol This is the first post from Dave W, that doesn't seem very intelligently written at all, I'm sorry to say.
| it played in 1975, which certainly wasn't "years later" than 1974. |
It was a year later, and if you happened to have NOT seen it, with no VCRs or on-demand, you had to wait until it was repeated at least a year later. Jesus.
Project Sign, Grudge, and Blue book were NOT resources to help alien abductess, they were projects designed to explain away UFO sightings with conventional explanations, to keep the public from panic. Read what lead Bluebook investigator J. Allen Hyneck said about alien ships being a reality that he was instructed to cover-up. Later in life, Hyneck did more serious reporting of UFO sightings.
Hyneck did end up in this neck of the woods investigating the HUGE wave of UFO activity here in the Hudson Valley in the 1980s, and ended up co-writing the book "Night Siege" about the sightings. BUT - GET THIS - according to his co-writer, Philip J. Imbrogno, as He and Hyneck were investigating the witnesses, it turns out that HUNDREDS of them were not just witnesses to the UFOs, but were claiming to be abductees and contactees of the aliens.
What was Hyneck's reaction? He insisted that NO ABDUCTION OR CONTACT ACCOUNTS be put in the book or reported to the public! Hyneck insisted on including only witnesses who saw the UFOs from a safe distance! Hyneck felt the public would never accept the abduction tales, and they would only weaken the reports of UFO sightings!
Tell me again how Hyneck was a resource to HELP people like me? He spent his life trying to silence people like me. Dave, maybe pulling quick answers off of wikipedia isn't as effective as you think it is. I'm disappointed by your work in this post.
Then you suggest if only my family had contacted Phil Klass...lol! You say Klass would have brought all his expertise! and his resources to bear on our situation! Hmm, let's see... | KLASS:...In nearly 30 years of searching, investigating famous cases, I have yet to find one that cannot be explained in down-to-earth prosaic terms. Therefore, if somebody says to me, "I have been abducted by strange looking creatures that do these dreadful things to me," I'm quite confident that they could not possibly be extraterrestrials. Maybe they're mischievous Irish leprechauns; maybe they're the mischievous elves of Santa Claus; maybe they are agents of the devil -- now I don't believe in any of these. But I have not spent 30 years investigating whether the leprechauns exist. But I am quite confident that there is no scientific credible evidence to show that we've had alien visitors, let alone that they're doing these dreadful things. |
Klass would have brought all his expertise and resources to bear on my family's abductions? Absurd. Klass was a debunker, and was widely-regarded in the UFO community as a government-paid disinformation agent.
Klass suspected that the UFO reports were best explained as a previously unknown type of plasma or ball lightning that might have been generated from the power lines or their transformers. He and physicist James E. McDonald exchanged cordial letters on the subject, and McDonald agreed that some UFOs might be a type of ball lighting.[7] However, in his first book Klass argued that plasmas could explain most or all UFOs, even cases of alleged alien abduction. |
Almost too funny.
| Klass's plasma hypothesis was not well received by those on either side of the UFO debate, who noted that Klass was using one unverified phenomenon—his hypothetical plasmas— to explain another unverified phenomenon—UFOs.[9] Criticism came from "pro"-UFO physicist McDonald, and from a more sceptical team of plasma experts assembled by the Condon Committee, who all rejected Klass's plasma theory as unscientific. |
Expertise, you say, Dave W.?
| Klass and McDonald afterwards engaged in a bitter, months-long debate, leveling a variety of charges and accusations at one another.[13][14] Eventually, Klass wrote to McDonald's superiors at the U.S. Navy (McDonald was formally retired from the Navy, but often worked with the Office of Naval Research), suggesting that McDonald's security clearance be revoked or reconsidered, and he also wrote to McDonald's supervisors at the University of Arizona to argue that McDonald's academic tenure should be questioned. Even some of Klass's most ardent supporters[15] expressed disapproval of his actions in regards to McDonald. |
A class act. I;m sure he would have been a big help to me and my family, as you suggested, Dave.
| In the late 1960s, Klass quietly abandoned his plasma theory, and afterwards argued that all UFO sightings could be explained as misidentification of normal phenomena (such as clouds, stars, comets or airplanes), and/or as hoaxes. Clark contends[16] that Klass argued in favor of hoaxes more than almost any other UFO skeptic, but that Klass rarely had evidence in favor of his accusations; this position was echoed by Don Ecker[17] who asserted that during a 1992 debate, Klass made unsubstantiated charges of "drug smuggling" against Australian pilot Frederick Valentich, who disappeared in 1978 after claiming a strange UFO was flying near his airplane. |
Maybe he'd have accused my family of smuggling drugs, eh?
| In the 1970s, Klass heaped praise on astronomer and UFO investigator Allan Hendry's The UFO Handbook, but Hendry[18] objected strongly to Klass's modus operandi, which Hendry argued was based on suppressed and distorted evidence, unscientific reasoning, ad hominem attacks, smear campaigns, character assassination, scientific bait and switch tactics, and seemingly refusing to evaluate evidence that conflicted with his preconceptions. |
Yeah, this asshole would have brought all his expertise and resources to bear. Thanks for making my points for me, Dave. Jesus.
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Kil
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 12:07:34 [Permalink]
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le Penseur:
Sure I have, Kil, in fact, I did state clearly that during the abduction I 'totally lost it' and started screaming.
But when you ask if it ruined my life with PTSD, I don't feel it has. You admit this is consistent with the claims of most alleged alien abductees, but you insist it is still inconsistent. You say children abused by adult humans are traumatized, so I should be too. Seems like I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't by that standard. |
I did mention that you said you said you were panicked at the time of the second incident that you have related.
Actually I didn’t ask if it “ruined your life.” In fact, knowing what the literature says about alleged alien abductees, I would be a surprise if it had. Where the inconsistency lays is that given the nature of what can only be described as traumatic event, or set of traumatic events, you’re reaction to it is inconsistent with what we would expect to find from a victim of trauma. The reason I brought simple home invasion and a one time childhood abuse in to this is that both of these predictably lead to trauma in need of treatment. And yet, the recurrence of being kidnapped and abused and really undergoing a complete loss of control, does not manifest those symptoms that would be normal for kind of abuse described in alien abduction cases. What’s damning from a psychological standpoint is that you do not have PTSD or any other trauma related symptoms.
By the way. I should mention that there are those who claim alien abduction who do show signs of trauma and have sought treatment. And almost all of the “abductees” lead pretty normal lives and would not be described as “crazy.” More like fantasy prone based on tests they have takin. Creative people also score high on those tests.
le Penseur:
Really, that seems odd to you? In 1968? In 1974? In the late 1950s when my Mom was first abducted? Who would YOU have contacted and how would YOU have sought out other abductees? |
While granting that there were no formal support groups until the eighties, there were organizations as Dave has mentioned. Also, the abduction story was already part of the public narrative by 1974. Some UFO enthusiasts were already on board. People like Ronald Sprinkle
and Budd Hopkins. I’m not saying that you knew who these guys were and avoided them, but did you look for people interested in what you had gone through?
le Penseur:
Kil, I think the answer has something to do with the mental abilities of these aliens. These beings can project their thoughts into your mind, they can read your mind and know what you're thinking as fast as you can think it. They can paralyze a person standing in place, unable to physically move. They also seem to be able to mask part or all of the abduction from the minds of some abductees. As you say, a large number of abductees have missing time. In fact, when I speak with another abductee, I find the people whose accounts have gaps or missing time to be more believable. Some of my experiences have gaps. This ability to at least partially cover their tracks may allow abductees to lead lives relatively undamaged by the events. |
Than how do you explain those who have experienced significant trauma? While your story is the norm, there are those who have sought therapy. Are these aliens incompetent? With all of their ability to read minds and manipulate people, why, if they don’t want to be discovered, which seems to be the case, have they allowed you to remember as much as you have, but others have almost no recollection of the experience and it must be dug out of them. That’s just another inconsistency. I understand that you don’t really have the answer to my question. I thought of the same thing when I was pondering what rationalizations you might come up with to explain why there are those who suffer little lasting trauma as a result of what would normally be a very traumatic event in their lives with the usual expectation of residual effects like PTSD.
le Penseur:
I question the number in that statistic, politely. |
And yet above you say “In fact, when I speak with another abductee, I find the people whose accounts have gaps or missing time to be more believable. Some of my experiences have gaps.” I’m pretty sure I got the statistic from a video by Budd Hopkins. I’d have to go back and research it, but I think that’s where it came from. And he being a supporter of alien abduction, I see no reason to question it. Even though I disagree with much that he has to say, he is far more familiar with the numbers than I am, and I don’t see how throwing out a number like that would change his narrative in any significant way.
le Penseur:
And it is not wholly accurate to say that doesn't apply to my family as well, based solely on this incident in 1974. |
By all means, tell me more!!!
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Kil
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 12:15:05 [Permalink]
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le Penseur:
Klass would have brought all his expertise and resources to bear on my family's abductions? Absurd. Klass was a debunker, and was widely-regarded in the UFO community as a government-paid disinformation agent. |
Yeah. And all of us who speak out against homeopathy are paid by big pharma. This is the usual kind of accusation thrown at skeptics when they don't agree with whatever the narrative is. Attack the person and not the argument. It's a conspiracy!!! Has anyone provided any evidence for the above claim or is it business as usual? We have heard that so many times on various issues that we are skeptical about, it's downright laughable. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 12:46:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
All those marvelous resources available to help me! |
You claimed that there was "NO ONE" to contact and that popular culture wouldn't catch up until well after 1974. Both of those claims are plainly false, even if you ignore the Air Force and Phil Klass.| lol This is the first post from Dave W, that doesn't seem very intelligently written at all, I'm sorry to say. |
Yeah, my writing is supposed to do nothing more than wow you with my brilliance.  | Project Sign, Grudge, and Blue book were NOT resources to help alien abductess... |
I never said they were. Whatever you think you were replying to, it wasn't my comment.| Tell me again how Hyneck was a resource to HELP people like me? |
I never said he was.| Dave, maybe pulling quick answers off of wikipedia isn't as effective as you think it is. |
Maybe you paid too much attention to bngbuck's bizarre personal grudge against me.| I'm disappointed by your work in this post. |
I didn't reply to seek your approval. I replied because you were cranking up the "poor pitiful me" crap, and your response demonstrates your persecution complex and paranoia all too well.| Then you suggest if only my family had contacted Phil Klass...lol! |
Way to miss the point.| Yeah, this asshole would have brought all his expertise and resources to bear. Thanks for making my points for me, Dave. Jesus. |
So, because you think one "debunker" was an "asshole," it follows that there was nobody else for you to contact? No, le Penseur, thanks for making my point for me. How much time did you spend copying-and-pasting all that irrelevant stuff, instead of addressing what I was actually saying? |
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le Penseur
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 13:21:00 [Permalink]
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Kil, Phil Klass was an evil piece of shit in my book, whether he was actually paid by the government for disinformation or not I don't know, but that was a widely-held consideration by others in the field. I can only speak with a degree of certainty to what I personally know and experience, the further the conversation gets away from that, I'm forced to speculate, which I try not to do if possible. Like when you ask my why some abductees are traumatized, and some are not, you're forcing me to take a guess. I can suggest possibilities based on what happened to me, but I can't really tell you much about other abductees.
Besides, I think the surest way to tell if someone's full of bullshit is if they know the answers to everything. I don't. The bottom line must boil down to the fact that these beings are alien, and a lot of their actions won't make sense to us, naturally.
And let me apologize to Dave W. and yourself, if I sounded rude in my last letters, that was wrong of me, especially considering it seems the two of you are the last two remotely interested in talking to me, lol.
But my anger at people like Klass is genuine, and justifiable, if you understand what happened to us. Home invasion, kidnapping, assault, forced 'medical' procedures,and nobody believes it happened to us. That is worse than the event itself. Imagine for a minute being a rape victim, and you go to the police to report it, and they laugh in your face and call you crazy, telling you "there's no such thing as a rapist, you're either lying or crazy. You just experienced ball lightning." It's adding insult to injury. The public turns to "experts" like Klass to see how abductees should be treated, and I'm sure many abductees thought Klass was actually going to help them. He used those people, offering simply laughably inept explanations and left them worse off.
Being an abductee is much like being a victim of assault, or date-rape. It's just that the aliens have a much cooler car than a date rapist has. lol.
Budd Hopkins? I hold Budd in the highest regard, but I am biased. A few years ago, we contacted Budd and he was extremely interested, he came to our homes, along with Oliver Komansky (sp?), from the TV show "UFO hunters" and they spent two days investigating our case. He came to regard our experiences as a "very important case", for a few reasons, the main being the fact that my brothers have very public careers of authority. Budd even brought up our case on Larry King Live, mentioning my brother specifically, then they ran short on time.
Budd is not doing well, and there is no one to replace him, sadly.
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le Penseur
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 14:29:39 [Permalink]
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Dave W., There was No One to contact, almost nothing on your list holds up as a valuable resource to abductees of the time.
Especially to a ten year old boy. Maybe with full support of both parents to contact someone, maybe one of them on your list could have been useful, by the late-70s, perhaps. But our abductions started long before that. However, I didn't have support from my parents to do that. I couldn't even make an out-of-town long-distance telephone call without permission.
And I sure as hell didn't see any ads for alien abduction supports groups anywhere. Not in school, where I spent most of my day, not on the football field, not on the 3 channels of TV. Not in the papers. Not in the back of Marvel comics and Mad magazine.
When I grew up, I did contact people and organizations in the field. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 15:01:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Dave W., There was No One to contact, almost nothing on your list holds up as a valuable resource to abductees of the time. |
Oh, good grief. The list was nothing more than a handful of illustrative examples, and not a comprehensive index. There were, indeed, plenty of people you could have contacted who would have believed you.
As a ten-year-old boy, had I been in your shoes and receiving no help from my parents, my next trip would have been to local libraries, which probably would have had some of the best-seller UFO books (like The Interrupted Journey). And stamps cost what, 16 cents back then? No need for phone calls, long distance or otherwise.| When I grew up, I did contact people and organizations in the field. |
And? |
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le Penseur
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 19:34:08 [Permalink]
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Dave, What bullshit.
Telling me what you'd have done, had you been in my shoes. You'd have done no such thing. You'd probably have done exactly what I did, which is live your life as normally as possible.
"Why if I were you, I'd have gone to the library, and write postcards to the publishers of all those 'best-selling' alien abduction books that small-town librarians stock by the dozens! Then, I'm sure those publishers would read my pencil-written letter and get right back to me to aid me on my pre-pubescent quest to challenge the cover-up! Right after I finish my homework and watch the six-million dollar man!"
You have no idea what you would have done, and we'll never know what you would have done.
I was a relatively normal boy. When I was older, I looked into finding some answers to my experiences with aliens. |
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Posted - 02/27/2011 : 20:11:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Dave, What bullshit.
Telling me what you'd have done, had you been in my shoes. You'd have done no such thing. You'd probably have done exactly what I did, which is live your life as normally as possible. |
As H. noted, I'm unaware of any kidnapping victims who are so dismissive of their predicament as you are.| "Why if I were you, I'd have gone to the library, and write postcards to the publishers of all those 'best-selling' alien abduction books that small-town librarians stock by the dozens! Then, I'm sure those publishers would read my pencil-written letter and get right back to me to aid me on my pre-pubescent quest to challenge the cover-up! Right after I finish my homework and watch the six-million dollar man!" |
Oh, FFS. I never wore such rose-colored glasses in my life, but this is all beside the point. You're clearly unwilling to accept that there were people you could have contacted, to the point that now you're suggesting that if the result of such contact weren't going to be a perfect solution, it may as well not happen at all. You're exhibiting denial, anger and projection. You're romanticizing your captors, and claiming a lack of trauma from what would normally be traumatic events. Something isn't right, here.| You have no idea what you would have done, and we'll never know what you would have done. |
Having had been me, I think I've got a pretty good handle on what I might have done.| I was a relatively normal boy. |
No, you weren't.| When I was older, I looked into finding some answers to my experiences with aliens. |
And?? |
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