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Dr. Mabuse
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 Posted - 10/01/2011 : 04:46:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Ok, so the beavers are even more like humans than I thought. It wasn't for increasing the safety of their lair, but just to keep the noise level down.
Not unlike how USA managed to silence the Japanese during WW2 by blowing two f*ing large bombs over their cities. 
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How so? USA dropped two A-bombs on the Japanese, and they simply laid down their arms, all their will to fight lost in a flash (two flashes actually, but you get my drift. Pun intended). The Japanese military machine isn't bothering anyone anymore.
History has no concluded yet. When the US like Britain ceases to be an Empire. We have to be prepared to accept some revisionist history lessons. |
Just out of curiosity, what revisions are you expecting?
The great fight against the threat of communism...China, Soviet Union for example. The biggest trading partner and holder of US treasury bonds today is still a communist country China.
The US has a black president. That is the ultimate vindication of all that was wrong about America. |
Hardly, but possibly in their own collective mind (present company excluded, of course). But at least it's a step in the right direction.
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Posted - 10/01/2011 : 06:27:09 [Permalink]
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As they say to the victor goes the spoils of war. America had the A-Bomb and there was no other country to resist the US. The US morally justified the use of them on Japan. And that is the mantra echoed in the UN. America has lost it moral standing with the invasion of Iraq and was the first to use the A-Bomb. What gives it the moral authority to demand other nations cease such ambitions of acquiring nuclear bombs or the proliferation of it.
The US is going broke and the leaders are in a state of panic. There are no good solution or options. But even worse than its decline is the ghost of past indiscretions raising the spectre of isolationism.
Americas foreign policy is bankrupt, its economy is foreseeably bankcrupt, its global military power is being undetermined by its inability to maintain fiscal constraints. The leader of the free world is going the way of all the great empires before them.
To allow a hand full of rebels to stroke the flames of paranoia and delivers a blow to its mighty economy. Estimated cost of both wars and the long term rehabilitation of the returning veterans 2 trillion dollars not to count the thousands killed, the millions displaced. There should have been more justification here to use those big bombs and save them such expense.
This story cannot be written any other way. The true measure of a people is how they rise to deal with adversity when it arrives. The familiar hee-haw barbecue is being replaced by a noon Tea Party. Should the rest of the world be celebrating this new direction?
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 10:11:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
As they say to the victor goes the spoils of war. America had the A-Bomb and there was no other country to resist the US. The US morally justified the use of them on Japan. And that is the mantra echoed in the UN. America has lost it moral standing with the invasion of Iraq and was the first to use the A-Bomb. What gives it the moral authority to demand other nations cease such ambitions of acquiring nuclear bombs or the proliferation of it. |
I agree. Going after North Korea and Iran is massively hypocritical.
The US is going broke and the leaders are in a state of panic. |
Wrong. US is going broke while the leaders are scewing their voters over, offering them bread-crumbs and pandering to their religious minds, while getting rich themselves.
| There are no good solution or options... |
Yes there are, but the ultra-rich, the media, and politicians are walking hand in hand, afraid that the good sollutions will mean they get a smaller piece of the cake. And they can't have that...
To allow a hand full of rebels to stroke the flames of paranoia and delivers a blow to its mighty economy. |
Bin Laden certainly succeeded with that, and the American politicians and the media helped bring the dammage way past and beyond Bin Laden's wildest expectations. It's not many people who becomes legends within their own life-times, but USA helped Bin Laden become one.
Estimated cost of both wars and the long term rehabilitation of the returning veterans 2 trillion dollars not to count the thousands killed, the millions displaced. There should have been more justification here to use those big bombs and save them such expense. |
Last time I checked, death count was in the hundreds of thousands, bordering on the first million, counting the sectarian violence that erupted after USA was obligated by the Geneva Convention to take control of the domestic order in Iraq.
This story cannot be written any other way. The true measure of a people is how they rise to deal with adversity when it arrives. The familiar hee-haw barbecue is being replaced by a noon Tea Party. Should the rest of the world be celebrating this new direction?
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If there was any justice in the world, G.W. Bush should stand trial for crimes against humanity. Or if he was just plain murdered and dumped at sea, I would count that as poetic justice.
I certainly cannot accept the idea of a deity giving him forgivness because he did what he thought was right.
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 14:51:34 [Permalink]
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The constitution of the US was adopted in 1787. Today the Tea Party a grass roots movement in America is accusing the US Government for being in violation of the constitution in almost every aspect of foreign policy arguing nowhere in the constitution was the government given rights to invade countries not an immediate threat to the US, to democratize countries or protect countries against any type of ideology.
The tea party even goes further to challenge the constitutionality of the social security programs, the national health programs called entitlements which are seen as over extending the function of the government outside of the framework of the constitution.
In short a group of Americans believe the US should go back to the 1800's and start afresh. Closely staying within the constitutional charter.
This is fine for Americans to reset history and realize their leaders and government have violated their own laws and constitution and forced their will on nations is the false belief they had the inalienable rights as Americans to do so. How do we redress what is now recognized by the people of America that America violated its own constitution and how should America be brought to trial for such violations which extended beyond their boundaries. |
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 07:32:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
In short a group of Americans believe the US should go back to the 1800's and start afresh. Closely staying within the constitutional charter. |
The problem is that many of them don't know what's in the Constitution. They think that the 16th Amendment established the power to tax incomes (Rick Perry, for one example), that the First Amendment protects people from criticism by the media (Sarah Palin) or that people can refuse to fully respond to the census (Michele Bachman). The Tea Party is generally a group of nutcases who revere something of which they have no understanding. |
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 07:55:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by justintime
In short a group of Americans believe the US should go back to the 1800's and start afresh. Closely staying within the constitutional charter. |
The problem is that many of them don't know what's in the Constitution. They think that the 16th Amendment established the power to tax incomes (Rick Perry, for one example), that the First Amendment protects people from criticism by the media (Sarah Palin) or that people can refuse to fully respond to the census (Michele Bachman). The Tea Party is generally a group of nutcases who revere something of which they have no understanding.
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So how does that excuse the ones who knew what was in the constitution for violating it. Ron Paul appears to know and believes almost every act/policy/legislation in recent history has been in violation and outside of the charters of the US constitution. |
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 08:15:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by justintime
In short a group of Americans believe the US should go back to the 1800's and start afresh. Closely staying within the constitutional charter. |
The problem is that many of them don't know what's in the Constitution. They think that the 16th Amendment established the power to tax incomes (Rick Perry, for one example), that the First Amendment protects people from criticism by the media (Sarah Palin) or that people can refuse to fully respond to the census (Michele Bachman). The Tea Party is generally a group of nutcases who revere something of which they have no understanding.
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So how does that excuse the ones who knew what was in the constitution for violating it. Ron Paul appears to know and believes almost every act/policy/legislation in recent history has been in violation and outside of the charters of the US constitution.
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Yes. And Ron Paul is also a nutcase. |
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justintime
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 08:37:15 [Permalink]
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WoW!!! You cannot just dismiss veteran US legislators and governors and witches who are seeking the highest post in the country the Presidency and are deemed eligible to try. If they were nut cases they would have been barred based on incompetency. How can you have stricter rules for acquiring a drivers license than candidacy of the President?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 09:26:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
So how does that excuse the ones who knew what was in the constitution for violating it. Ron Paul appears to know and believes almost every act/policy/legislation in recent history has been in violation and outside of the charters of the US constitution. |
Ron Paul is a deep believer in Thomas Paine's description of government as a necessary evil, and his mostly "nay" voting record reflects that (except when it comes to abortion, immigration and the Ten Commandments, it seems). However, the Constitution itself does not say, "The government is best which governs least" (Thomas Paine quote appearing on Paul's Congressional web site this week), it allows for the funding and implementation of the sort of social programs that Paul seems to reject out-of-hand.
The Constitution didn't establish a libertarian government. Nor did it establish a liberal government. The government is supposed to be responsive to its citizens, via their representatives. Allegedly, this means that Pauls' constitutents want a drastically reduced Federal government (with exceptions). That doesn't mean he thinks that those bills he votes against are unconstitutional.
Now, Googling reveals that he thinks that our current wars are unconstitutional, as are our political assassinations, the USA PATRIOT ACT and the so-called "super committee." I'll agree with him on the first three, at least (and plead ignorance about the last). But that's a far cry from "almost every act/policy/legislation in recent history."
Ron Paul is a loon who seems to think health care should only be available to those who can afford it. But he's one of the more rational loons on the right today.
Oh, since when is he a Tea Partier? |
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 09:29:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
If they were nut cases they would have been barred based on incompetency. |
There is no such restriction. The Founding Fathers, in perhaps a fit of naivete, expected voters to vote rationally instead of emotionally, and so would have thought that nobody who was incompetent could draw many votes, thus mooting the need for any formal competency tests. |
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 09:49:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
WoW!!! You cannot just dismiss veteran US legislators and governors and witches who are seeking the highest post in the country the Presidency and are deemed eligible to try. If they were nut cases they would have been barred based on incompetency. How can you have stricter rules for acquiring a drivers license than candidacy of the President?
Is it because it is easier to lead the crazies than to drive among them.
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Dr. Paul is a whackjob. He spouts the same rhetoric I have heard before from one Mr. Lyndon LaRouche.
There is no mental compentency provision to be an elected official. Usually, the select out of the candidate pool because they do things that frighten the children and horses.
Dr. Paul misinterprets the Constitution because he ignores various portions of it. For instance, the preamble of the Constitution specifically allows to promote the general welfare.
Income tax. Seems to fall under Article I, Section 8. But clarification had to be made for a new class of taxes.
The qualifiactions for President are already more strict than ones for drivers licenses. Immigrants can get drivers licenses. (Article II, Section 1)
Yet I do not hear any complaints from Dr. Paul about when the President takes the oath of office including "so help me God". (Article II, Section 1, Clause 8)
The Tea Party is all for strict Constitutionalism as they understand it. This includes Freedom of Speech to only apply to them and not others. (Freedom of Speech only forbids government from silencing you) It also includes the Freedom of Religion. (Except that they want their religion pushed above all others.)
China is the largest single holder of US debt. They only hold 25% of the debt. Communism in general is not a unified threat. You have Marxist Communism, which does not exist anywhere in the world. You have the Soviet style communism which started off under Lenin. Lenin was making changes to how it was implemented and already had merely put a minimum that the farmers had to give to the state for distribution to the citizenry and allowed them to sell any extra for profit. Stalin took over and quicky transformed it to a totalitarian juanta. China used it in a much different way.
The Atomic bombs dropped on Japan were to convince a military to stop fighting. The number of civilians killed in the bombings are far fewer than the expected civilian casualties of a ground invasion. Bushito codes do that to an invasion effort. The US military had seen the code in use in many engagements. Specifically at Tarawa were mass civilian suicides were urged by the Japanese forces. Using the bombs were effective. It was the most terrible weapon to be unleashed on any foe. It was not, however, to silence the Japanese.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 09:50:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
If they were nut cases they would have been barred based on incompetency. |
Wishful thinking. Unfortunately, doesn't make it true.
| How can you have stricter rules for acquiring a drivers license than candidacy of the President? |
I'm not so sure that is true. Foreign citizens can get a driving license...
Is it because it is easier to lead the crazies than to drive among them.
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It requires a huge Ad-program/commercial fund. But GW. Bush showed that beyond a well chosen staff and being well funded, you don't require much intelligence. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 10:42:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by justintime
If they were nut cases they would have been barred based on incompetency. |
Wishful thinking. Unfortunately, doesn't make it true.
| How can you have stricter rules for acquiring a drivers license than candidacy of the President? |
I'm not so sure that is true. Foreign citizens can get a driving license...
Is it because it is easier to lead the crazies than to drive among them.
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It requires a huge Ad-program/commercial fund. But GW. Bush showed that beyond a well chosen staff and being well funded, you don't require much intelligence.
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There is a strong hint of Swedish neutrality here. It always helps to know where your friends and foes might bank. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 12:29:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by justintime
If they were nut cases they would have been barred based on incompetency. |
Wishful thinking. Unfortunately, doesn't make it true.
| How can you have stricter rules for acquiring a drivers license than candidacy of the President? |
I'm not so sure that is true. Foreign citizens can get a driving license...
Is it because it is easier to lead the crazies than to drive among them.
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It requires a huge Ad-program/commercial fund. But GW. Bush showed that beyond a well chosen staff and being well funded, you don't require much intelligence.
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There is a strong hint of Swedish neutrality here. It always helps to know where your friends and foes might bank.
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Sweden is the country which looks like it is pissing on Germany and Poland. Has Lutfisk and was in effect taken prisoner by Germany during WW II. Has a Constitutional Monarcy and vikings. Tending to take George Washington's warning against forming formal alliances, they are relatively neutral.
Switzerland is the neutral country where the banks are. |
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 13:36:03 [Permalink]
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| You are good, Valiant Dancer. Has it ever occurred to you why I do not challenge nor dispute your insightful accuracy. Lap dancers should be judged differently and a Valiant one holds so much more promise. I will agree to most anything you want me to so long as you don't insist on more heroics later. |
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