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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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 Posted - 06/16/2011 : 14:46:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ebone4rock
Well I certainly do not feel that it should be the general public's responsibility to pay for a couple deciding that they want their first kid when they do not have the means to and they are well aware of it! |
What if they could afford the child, but not the child and health insurance for the child?
Why aren't you advocating for means testing for parenting licensing? |
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Ebone4rock
SFN Regular
USA
894 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2011 : 14:54:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Ebone4rock
Well I certainly do not feel that it should be the general public's responsibility to pay for a couple deciding that they want their first kid when they do not have the means to and they are well aware of it! |
What if they could afford the child, but not the child and health insurance for the child?
Why aren't you advocating for means testing for parenting licensing?
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2011 : 15:35:20 [Permalink]
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Ebone wrote: | Well I certainly do not feel that it should be the general public's responsibility to pay for a couple deciding that they want their first kid when they do not have the means to and they are well aware of it! |
Since you compare children to luxury cars, this doesn't surprise me.
Dave asked Ebone| Why aren't you advocating for means testing for parenting licensing? |
Because it's so much more satisfying to judge complete strangers who are worse off than him after the fact. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2011 : 22:32:55 [Permalink]
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| I apologize for that last comment. That was particularly nasty and sarcastic. I would actually guess that the real reason Ebone doesn't advocate for means testing for parenting licensing is because he realizes that the damage done by that sort of attempt at government control of people would have even crueler and more dysfunctional results than the current system. Sorry, Ebone. Your judgmental generalizations, which are so often thrown out in vague and cavalier ways, just really piss me off because I have friends who are sinking into poverty. I view poverty as a horrible thing that happens to people, while you seem to view it as something people typically deserve. It sort of pisses me off in the same way that judgmental generalizations about fat people piss me off. People who don't have to deal with extreme weight problems tend to not realize that most very fat people would have to work several times as hard just to be the same size as them, and then judge them as "lazy" for not doing so. The statistics and studies I have read about poverty and human psychology seems to make it abundantly clear that a poor person deals with challenges far greater than that of a middle class person, and that a poor person has to work much harder to become middle class than a middle class person has to work to simply maintain their middle class status. The idea that poor people should choose to never have children because they can't get out of poverty disgusts me. It honestly disgusts me. Not everyone wants children, but for many people, especially many women, it is a essential part of living life fully. It isn't a fucking luxury car. And especially for someone who doesn't have a fulfilling or lucrative career, who doesn't own property, and who sees little prospect of achieving much in the way of status or luxuries, having a child is one of the few ways their life can be made to feel truly and deeply worth living. To tell a poor woman or poor couple who are working menial jobs for shit money, unable to travel or even take much time off, that they shouldn't have any children because society shouldn't have to pay for that - fuck that. It is this society and the way this society is set up that explains the difference between the rich and middle class and poor. Anyone who thinks the system is even close to being mostly merit based is willfully ignorant. |
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