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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 05:53:30 [Permalink]
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| Dear Marfknox, You got caught bullshitting. You can't name the right wing atheists because you just made up that story. You said, "they aren't likely to advertise their atheism." So how did you get this information? Your credibility is zero. Go run with the herd. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 08/28/2011 : 06:35:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Are you flaky agnostics really Raelians? It all fits. One of you even identifies as alienist. Just like you Raelians also see themselves as atheists. Do you skeptical agnostics also share the belief
scientists from another planet created all life on Earth? Sure seems to be the kind of science you pinheads would espouse.
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Is that what your left with? Haha! That's some funny shit. Pathetic, but funny. And yes, I'm laughing at you, not with you.
You have already admitted your agnosticism with regard to one claim, it isn't too late for you to abandon your failed faith based position.
Also, for the record, none of the participants in this thread so far have any doubt about the veracity of evolution.
I'd be interested, mostly because I think I will get to point and laugh at you again, in hearing what you think about abiogenesis.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 08:11:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Marfknox, You got caught bullshitting. You can't name the right wing atheists because you just made up that story. You said, "they aren't likely to advertise their atheism." So how did you get this information? Your credibility is zero. Go run with the herd.
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Conservative atheists are no secret. Ayn Rand ring any bells for you? There are several branches of her brand of conservatism as well as offshoot organizations, including libertarianism. Michael Shermer, Penn Jillettte, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, are among them. Than there are flat out Republican and Atheist Conservatives. There are Republican Atheists. Just google it. You will find that there are many atheist conservative orginizations. Marf wasn't bullshitting. This is pretty common knowledge. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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13477 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2011 : 08:18:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Are you flaky agnostics really Raelians? It all fits. One of you even identifies as alienist. Just like you Raelians also see themselves as atheists. Do you skeptical agnostics also share the belief
scientists from another planet created all life on Earth? Sure seems to be the kind of science you pinheads would espouse.
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Ahhh... So you just skip over the evidence that your position is untenable and move into trollish behavior with more silly observations, pulled from your ass, having nothing to do with the subject, and everything to do with shot in the dark insults. At least our insults were on subject.
Now I have to ask you the question you once asked me. Have you ever admitted to being wrong? What the evidence in this thread suggests is, and this is consistant with the Dunning Kruger effect, the answer is no.
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Hawks
SFN Regular
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 08:41:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Sure seems to be the kind of science you pinheads would espouse. |
Unlike Officiant, everyone else here realises that there are limits to what science can and can't study; that is mostly what this thread is about, after all. What Officiant is too stupid to realise is that his claim that "science can study anything" puts him squarely in the same camp as ID-supporters and other pseudo-scientists.
Edited because I originally claimed that the above quote was made by Kil. My sincerest apologies (to Kil). |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 09:15:01 [Permalink]
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Officiant, I am confident you will fail to understand this... but I'm going to give you the reason why I, personally, call myself an agnostic. This is a very real claim, and it is entirely immune from testing by any means. It is a claim you make every moment of every day too. Ready?
There is a reality outside of my mind, a reality I can detect and interact with.
You can't test that claim, you can't provide evidence for that claim, the best you can do is pretend it is true.
Every other claim you, or anyone else makes, has the above claim as a premise. The default position is, therefore, agnosticism. You don't know, and can't know, if the claim is true or not.
Like I said, I don't expect you to understand, but this might be a good place for you to start.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 15:05:41 [Permalink]
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Officiant: | Dear Marfknox, You got caught bullshitting. You can't name the right wing atheists because you just made up that story. You said, "they aren't likely to advertise their atheism." So how did you get this information? Your credibility is zero. Go run with the herd. |
Funny, I'm pretty sure I wrote "Carl Rove". Lemme see... yup. I did. Kil also backed me up pretty well. Ayn Rand wasn't just a fiscal conservative, she was also opposed to a lot of equality for women and was definitely a bigot against gays.
Just like there are lots of gay Republicans who actually support anti-gay legislation (see the documentary "Outrage"), there are lots of atheist Republicans who support anti-secular legislation. They do it for power.
I notice you didn't respond to anything else I wrote. Wonder why. |
"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong
Check out my art store: http://www.marfknox.etsy.com
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 17:40:55 [Permalink]
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Dear Kil and marfknox, Check your facts. This is more bullshit. Karl Rove refutes atheist Christopher Hitchens' claims
Friday, February 25, 2011
By Speroforum
In an email exchange with Kamy Akhavan of ProCon.org, Rove wrote "I called Mr. Hitchens after he made his erroneous statement and as the true gentlemen he is, he apologized. He has seen a quote in which I remarked on my admiration for the faith of White House colleagues which I felt was deeper and richer than mine and misquoted it. I am a practicing Christian who attends a bible-centered Episcopal church in Washington and an Anglican church in Texas."
www.speroforum.com/.../Karl-Rove-refutes-atheist
Ayn Rand died in 1982. You said, " There are some powerful, conservative atheists.." She is no longer extant and you are grasping at straws although I concede her ideas live on in her books.
How about some more names of real atheists who advocate for the religious right and are still above ground? Your credibility is crumbling so do some fact checking before you make an ass of yourself again. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 18:00:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Kil and marfknox, Check your facts. This is more bullshit. Karl Rove refutes atheist Christopher Hitchens' claims
Friday, February 25, 2011
By Speroforum
In an email exchange with Kamy Akhavan of ProCon.org, Rove wrote "I called Mr. Hitchens after he made his erroneous statement and as the true gentlemen he is, he apologized. He has seen a quote in which I remarked on my admiration for the faith of White House colleagues which I felt was deeper and richer than mine and misquoted it. I am a practicing Christian who attends a bible-centered Episcopal church in Washington and an Anglican church in Texas."
www.speroforum.com/.../Karl-Rove-refutes-atheist
Ayn Rand died in 1982. You said, " There are some powerful, conservative atheists.." She is no longer extant and you are grasping at straws although I concede her ideas live on in her books.
How about some more names of real atheists who advocate for the religious right and are still above ground? Your credibility is crumbling so do some fact checking before you make an ass of yourself again.
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Oh for christ sake. There are tons of blogs that promote conservative atheism. And I named names and none of them was Carl Rove. Unless you think the Cato Institute, funded by the Koch brothers is liberal, than the people I named are examples of conservative atheists. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
166 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2011 : 18:10:34 [Permalink]
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Dear Dude, You are as thick as a brick. There are no practical real world claims science can't test for but it is the claimant who must show up with the evidence. That would be you dimwit.
You are right that I can't prove the imaginary gods in your head are real. I don't have to you moron. I am not the claimant. Take a hammer. Hit yourself on top of the head. Let me know if you
are still having a problem with reality. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 18:44:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
There are no practical real world claims science can't test for but it is the claimant who must show up with the evidence. |
So, either "Agnostic atheists are cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettantes" is not a "practical real world claim" (in which case you've been arguing useless metaphysics), or you're a lying coward. Which is it, Officiant? |
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Why not question something for a change?
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 18:53:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Dude, You are as thick as a brick. There are no practical real world claims science can't test for but it is the claimant who must show up with the evidence. That would be you dimwit.
You are right that I can't prove the imaginary gods in your head are real. I don't have to you moron. I am not the claimant. Take a hammer. Hit yourself on top of the head. Let me know if you
are still having a problem with reality.
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Your stupidity is, as I said before, awe inspiring.
You fail to comprehend what I'm saying, a failing driven by your willful ignorance and arrogance.
If, as you now say (changed your tune because you know you were wrong), all "practical real world claims" can be tested... then what is the test for my claim?
I claim that there is a reality outside of my mind and that I can both detect and interact with it.
That is as real world as it gets. So help me out here.
How would you go about testing that claim? What evidence would satisfy it?
Obviously hitting myself does not prove there is any external reality. It only proves that I can hit myself, nothing about that lets me distinguish between the event happening entirely inside my head or as part of an external reality. If that is the best you have then you probably aren't going to fare well in this.
Back up your claim and provide a method to test my claim. If you can't (hint: you can't) then you need to admit your error and learn something.
For the record, in hopes of helping you understand, with regard to any deity ever described by human beings in the practice of the countless religions on earth, I am what even you would call a strong atheist. It is my contention that all deities are cultural constructs created by humans and are best interpreted from an anthropological perspective. It might have helped people tolerate you more if you had bothered to ask how many people here feel the same way. The vast majority of the regulars on this forum would be Dawkins scale 6.5, 7 with regard to the specific (and testable) claims of most religions.
Instead you wade in telling everyone here how stupid they are because you read a Strenger book (that you don't even understand, fyi), and you are now an authority on agnosticism and atheism!
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 19:03:02 [Permalink]
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For Christ sake Kil? JC is without historicity or are you agnostic about that too. Please give me an example of how Michael Shermer, Penn Jillettte, Ron Paul and Rand Paul support aspects of what the religious right is doing because it benefits them. I am eager to learn from this. Do you now agree the Karl Rove reference was bogus?
I get along really well with Catholics. I am close friends with some priests. I even went on a pilgrimage to Medjugorje. Google that and blow your mind. They understand and appreciate my position as a secular humanist. I find them more honest than two-faced agnostics who are content to wait until the end of time for the impossible to show up so they can make a decision.
I notice you just blew off the article on self-refuting agnosticism. Those Jesuits are pretty smart. Can you refute them? Who cares you say? You better care. The Vatican has a vote at the United Nations and they are still very powerful. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 19:13:37 [Permalink]
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Officiant said:
| but it is the claimant who must show up with the evidence. |
That is true only some of the time.
Today gold is selling for $58,200 per kilogram. I will make you an offer on your home, I'll buy it for 10 kilos of gold. I have ten 1kg bars. They are gold, I have a lab report that matches up to the serial numbers stamped into by gold bars showing that they are 99.5% gold.
I've made a claim and I have supplied evidence to support my claim. Are you going to accept my evidence or are you going to take my bars and run a quick displacement and density check on them? (in other words, get your own evidence?)
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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podcat
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/28/2011 : 19:18:42 [Permalink]
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The last paragraph of the Karl Rove article:
Akhavan called and emailed Hitchens to confirm this information, but as of the early
afternoon of February 25 had not received a response. In a release, ProCon.org declared
that it was unable to find a retraction or contradiction of Hitchens’ claims regarding
Rove’s religious affiliations. Rover [sic], then, agreed to have his views published so as
to clarify the public record. This was not covered in his authobiography [sic],
entitled Courage and Consequences: My Life as a Conservative in the Fight. |
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