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Officiant
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 12:32:50 [Permalink]
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| Dear Valiant Dancer, I think it was back in the seventies when I spoke to Madalyn on the telephone. I also sent her a letter. She blasted the Humanist Association of Canada for being agnostic and chastised me for living in a Roman Catholic state. Humanist Canada, as it is now known, is still agnostic and we still have public funding for the Roman Catholic separate schools despite two condemnations from the United Nations. She also sent me a tape of her television program but the television stations here didn't like it. You could look for Godless in America on YouTube, some great stuff from Maralyn on BrainyQuotes, etc. Did you click on Kil's agnosticism on page 17? You don't really think I mentioned a phone call to bolster my argument. You are running out of ammo and throwing empty cartridges. Take another look in your bowl. Nothing is circling. It is plugged up with Thomas Huxley's Bibles. |
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Officiant
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 12:54:49 [Permalink]
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Dear Dude, An external reality: The reality which we experience through our senses, what we see, hear, smell, taste and sense.(scenerioarchitecture.com)
I suggest you get help from your Psychoanalyst for your problems in dealing with reality. |
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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 09/01/2011 : 12:55:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Valiant Dancer, I think it was back in the seventies when I spoke to Madalyn on the telephone. I also sent her a letter. She blasted the Humanist Association of Canada for being agnostic and chastised me for living in a Roman Catholic state. Humanist Canada, as it is now known, is still agnostic and we still have public funding for the Roman Catholic separate schools despite two condemnations from the United Nations. She also sent me a tape of her television program but the television stations here didn't like it. You could look for Godless in America on YouTube, some great stuff from Maralyn on BrainyQuotes, etc. Did you click on Kil's agnosticism on page 17? You don't really think I mentioned a phone call to bolster my argument. You are running out of ammo and throwing empty cartridges. Take another look in your bowl. Nothing is circling. It is plugged up with Thomas Huxley's Bibles.
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I did check Kil's link. Typical that you accuse others of something you do.
I agreed with his assessment of the article.
Yes, I do think that you mentioned it to bolster your argument.
Your protestations are without merit. You have yet to support any of your claims that were listed for you.
I must conclude that your claims have no basis. |
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 13:34:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Dude, An external reality: The reality which we experience through our senses, what we see, hear, smell, taste and sense.(scenerioarchitecture.com)
I suggest you get help from your Psychoanalyst for your problems in dealing with reality.
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Not quite. And this is not a question of psychology, but of epistemology/metaphysics.
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 13:53:19 [Permalink]
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From All the Questions You Ever Wanted To Ask American Atheists With All The Answers by Jon Murray and Madalyn O'Hair
In confrontation to the position of agnosticism, when questioned concerned with it at the Tenth Annual National American Atheist Convention, Dr. Albert Ellis, one of our nation's foremost psychologists, elaborated on Atheism and agnosticism. He noted that currently there is a trend in all of science to state that there is only a "probability" concerned with natural laws and that scientists are not 100% certain of their grounds any more or at least at this time. They are only 99.999999% certain of their grounds any more or at least at this time. They can only show that certain laws have been the same for 4 1/2 billion years. He laughed and said, "For all practical purposes in your life, then, you can accept that natural laws 'may be true.' To premise your life on the very slim hope that they may not be true, is to act in an absurd and unproductive fashion. " The odds against the god idea are in the same magnitude. Yet the agnostic rejects the major for the minor premise of both time and percentage and says that he really cannot make a decision. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 14:41:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
From All the Questions You Ever Wanted To Ask American Atheists With All The Answers by Jon Murray and Madalyn O'Hair
In confrontation to the position of agnosticism, when questioned concerned with it at the Tenth Annual National American Atheist Convention, Dr. Albert Ellis, one of our nation's foremost psychologists, elaborated on Atheism and agnosticism. He noted that currently there is a trend in all of science to state that there is only a "probability" concerned with natural laws and that scientists are not 100% certain of their grounds any more or at least at this time. They are only 99.999999% certain of their grounds any more or at least at this time. They can only show that certain laws have been the same for 4 1/2 billion years. He laughed and said, "For all practical purposes in your life, then, you can accept that natural laws 'may be true.' To premise your life on the very slim hope that they may not be true, is to act in an absurd and unproductive fashion. " |
Reads to me like a bad Google translation from some other language. "In confrontation to?" Who says that?| The odds against the god idea are in the same magnitude. Yet the agnostic rejects the major for the minor premise of both time and percentage and says that he really cannot make a decision. |
Not any of the agnostic atheists here. The idea that agnosticism is a "premise" on which to base one's life is ridiculous. It's like saying, "to premise your life on red hair..."
But I see what the problem is. Both "red hair" and "agnosticism" are categories, not life philosophies. You, Officiant, seem to treat your atheism as the focal point of your life, and many theists focus their lives around their religions, so you assume everyone else does the same thing.
I don't. For me, agnosticism is nothing more than an academic question, and not set of guidelines about how to live life or a provider of moral rules. For all practical purposes, I'm an atheist. But since I cannot rule all possible gods out 100%, I am technically an agnostic. In other words, a Dawkins-style category six. Can you grasp the distinctions here, Officiant?
By the way, on what evidence do you base your claim that "Agnostic atheists are cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettantes?" |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 16:26:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
From All the Questions You Ever Wanted To Ask American Atheists With All The Answers by Jon Murray and Madalyn O'Hair
In confrontation to the position of agnosticism, when questioned concerned with it at the Tenth Annual National American Atheist Convention, Dr. Albert Ellis, one of our nation's foremost psychologists, elaborated on Atheism and agnosticism. He noted that currently there is a trend in all of science to state that there is only a "probability" concerned with natural laws and that scientists are not 100% certain of their grounds any more or at least at this time. They are only 99.999999% certain of their grounds any more or at least at this time. They can only show that certain laws have been the same for 4 1/2 billion years. He laughed and said, "For all practical purposes in your life, then, you can accept that natural laws 'may be true.' To premise your life on the very slim hope that they may not be true, is to act in an absurd and unproductive fashion. " The odds against the god idea are in the same magnitude. Yet the agnostic rejects the major for the minor premise of both time and percentage and says that he really cannot make a decision.
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More claims that are unsubstantiated.
I'll just discount these as unsupported tripe because you won't defend these, either. |
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Hawks
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 16:36:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
...I think it was back in the seventies when I spoke to Madalyn on the telephone. I also sent her a letter. |
Test that claim using science. As you've said, science can test anything. The claimant (you) must supply the evidence. It should be easy, especially given that it's not an extraordinary claim. |
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Fripp
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 16:41:26 [Permalink]
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| 54 hours and change... |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 19:17:35 [Permalink]
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Fripp, Are you waiting for a brain transplant?
Hawks, Don't you trust anecdotal evidence? Ask American Atheists for a recording of the conversation. You're just being silly. My arguments are sound.
Valiant Dancer, You are just a hillbilly. You can't respond to what Albert Ellis said because you are intellectually incapable. You don't have the courage.
There is a good reason you all did not reply to the speech by Albert Ellis. You have as Albert Ellis puts it "a childish dependency on the supernatural." |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
166 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2011 : 19:37:49 [Permalink]
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Dave W., You illiterate moron. "In confrontation to?" Who says that? The authors obviously said it. Can't you read and understand plain English?
Count the number of times you have repeated the same question. That is empirical evidence that you are insane. You need help. You are technically a coward and you are acting
in an absurd and unproductive fashion. For .000001%?? That is reasonable to you? Do you also work at putting Bibles in schools like your agnostic hero Thomas Huxley? |
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Hawks
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Posted - 09/01/2011 : 20:59:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Hawks, Don't you trust anecdotal evidence? |
I don't trust you. Anyhow, how is anyone going to test your claim?
| Ask American Atheists for a recording of the conversation. |
You are the claimant. You supply the evidence. You said so yourself on page one of this thread.
No.
Your argument is that science can test anything (which you subsequently had to change to "practical real world claims"). Now, test scientifically that you spoke to Madalyn on the telephone. |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
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Fripp
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 03:12:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Fripp, Are you waiting for a brain transplant?
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No. I'm waiting for you to "kick the shit" out of the list of your claims. Why is there a need to resort to insults? Simply answer the questions/support the claims. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 05:46:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by OfficiantYou have as Albert Ellis puts it "a childish dependency on the supernatural."
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I'm a bit of an illiterate hillbilly myself. As such, I've not had much exposure to these experts who could probably help me find out if I'm really atheist enough.
I am concerned, however; how would this sort of "childish dependency" manifest itself? Would I catch myself hiding bibles around the house, or hanging rosaries from my rear-view mirror? Am I prone to bombing planned-parenthood clinics, or harboring fugitives like Eric Rudolph (which some of my North Carolina neighbors actually did)?
Maybe if I could just remove that last .00000000~001% doubt, I could finally stop being so damned civil to all these Jesus Freaks (i.e., all of my friends, family, acquaintances, and pretty much everyone I encounter from day-to-day), and start kicking the shit out of them, and their ooey-gooey sky-pal.
I realize you're talking about intellectual purity, but like the others on this board, I'm obviously not much of an intellectual. Being of what I guess you'd call a "materialist" mind-set, I've never paid enough attention to these mental gymnastics, impatient as I am to discover the "real-world" implications.
Obviously, I need more education, so I can have the confidence to walk into my boss' office, set fire to his "prayer of the day" desk calendar, and let him know that sending his kids to Vacation Bible School is exactly the same as wrapping them in explosives and sending them downtown on the bus.
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 06:00:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Fripp, Are you waiting for a brain transplant?
Hawks, Don't you trust anecdotal evidence? Ask American Atheists for a recording of the conversation. You're just being silly. My arguments are sound.
Valiant Dancer, You are just a hillbilly. You can't respond to what Albert Ellis said because you are intellectually incapable. You don't have the courage.
There is a good reason you all did not reply to the speech by Albert Ellis. You have as Albert Ellis puts it "a childish dependency on the supernatural."
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Albert Ellis isn't here. You are.
Defend your claims or they are dismissed for lack of support.
Doesn't matter what you call me, the fact still is that you have arrived here spouting claims and refusing to defend them. Instead, you have waged a campaign of insults and then claimed victimhood when others retaliate.
It is clear to me that you are devoid of basic manners and that your arguments consist of quote mining out of context and argument from disbelief that anyone would dare disagree with you.
Fripp is merely mentioning how many hours it has been since the list of claims has been posted whenever you decide to drop more out of context quotes and insults before you scamper away from the claims made from those quotes without defending them.
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