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Fripp
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 Posted - 09/02/2011 : 06:24:50 [Permalink]
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It has been 68 hours 24 minutes since the list has been posted; a list that you claimed you would "kick the shit" out of. And how does one "kick the shit" out of a list, precisely? (other than answering the claims therein, of course)
Additionally, in those 68+ hours, you have posted 23 times without supporting a single claim. Wouldn't that be considered cowardice? |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 06:29:52 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse, From page 19. "There is no way you or anyone secular on the planet could rationalize Thomas Huxley, the inventor of agnosticism, supporting the reading of the Bible in schools.
It has already been done. You just failed to recognise the arguments for that rationale. Thomas Jefferson was thinking in similar directions when he made the Jefferson Bible."
The Jefferson Bible fails because it assumes Jesus Christ was a real person. Jesus Christ, also known in these pages as the zombie Jew, is purely a character of fiction. There is not a shred of evidence to prove the historicity of the character that Christianity is based on. Give it your best shot Dr. Mabuse. Give us the historical evidence for Jesus. Hint. The interpolations of Josephus are not a good place to start.
You are correct that I 'just failed to recognize the arguments for that rationale.' Are you referring to the 'significant moral teachings' Kil mentioned? www.EvilBible.com should disavow you of that notion. The Christian Roman Catholic Church is with justification known as the greatest criminal organization in history. There are plenty of other works of fiction with 'superb use of language' that are still used in schools. Dickens and Shakespeare for example. Do you bring Bibles to school in Sweden.
Please tell me why you think why you think Thomas Huxley promoting the reading of the Bible in schools was not a religious exercise. |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 06:34:45 [Permalink]
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| Dear Fripp, There were no unanswered questions. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 06:48:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Fripp, There were no unanswered questions.
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No, just unsupported and undefended claims.
Good thing Fripp was talking about those and not questions. |
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Fripp
SFN Regular
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727 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2011 : 06:55:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Fripp, There were no unanswered questions.
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25 posts.
Please link to, or copy-and-paste, the answers/support for the claims listed. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 07:16:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dr. Mabuse, From page 19. "There is no way you or anyone secular on the planet could rationalize Thomas Huxley, the inventor of agnosticism, supporting the reading of the Bible in schools.
It has already been done. You just failed to recognise the arguments for that rationale. Thomas Jefferson was thinking in similar directions when he made the Jefferson Bible."
The Jefferson Bible fails because it assumes Jesus Christ was a real person. Jesus Christ, also known in these pages as the zombie Jew, is purely a character of fiction. There is not a shred of evidence to prove the historicity of the character that Christianity is based on. Give it your best shot Dr. Mabuse. Give us the historical evidence for Jesus. Hint. The interpolations of Josephus are not a good place to start.
You are correct that I 'just failed to recognize the arguments for that rationale.' Are you referring to the 'significant moral teachings' Kil mentioned? www.EvilBible.com should disavow you of that notion. The Christian Roman Catholic Church is with justification known as the greatest criminal organization in history. There are plenty of other works of fiction with 'superb use of language' that are still used in schools. Dickens and Shakespeare for example. Do you bring Bibles to school in Sweden.
Please tell me why you think why you think Thomas Huxley promoting the reading of the Bible in schools was not a religious exercise.
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And again, like Chomsky, you ignore the times in which Huxley lived.
Then you run down your favorite tangent of god proof.
The evidence presented here is not germaine to the claims you have made. And, as I have pointed out, the website that you point out ignores the direct teaching and goes instead after the actions of a conquering army without considering the standard operating procedure of non-Christian conquering armies.
Instead, you drag out the citation as if there was no issue at all. Citing suspect sources is a failure to support your claim. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2011 : 08:19:24 [Permalink]
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First of all, Officiant:
Please learn to use the basic formatting tools available. It makes your posts so much easier to read. As it is now, everything comes out in a stream, not much unlike that of of an incoherent loon.
Please put some carriage-returns in there to make separate paragraphs.
Originally posted by Officiant
The Jefferson Bible fails because it assumes Jesus Christ was a real person.
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But that wasn't the point why I brought it up.
Odysseus was also not a real person. But that doesn't invalidate some of the moral lessons of the Iliad and the Odyssey.
I haven't read the Jefferson Bible, so I can't comment on specifics.
| Jesus Christ, also known in these pages as the zombie Jew, is purely a character of fiction. There is not a shred of evidence to prove the historicity of the character that Christianity is based on. |
I know that.
| Give it your best shot Dr. Mabuse. Give us the historical evidence for Jesus. |
I haven't made any claim that there was a historical Jesus.
Where do you get such crazy ideas from?
You are ascribing ideas and thoughts to us which are false, why do you insist on doing that? Why do you invent stuff about us which isn't true?
| Do you bring Bibles to school in Sweden. |
Depends on what you mean by Do you bring Bibles to school in Sweden. Religion is a subject on the curricula, but it's not about teaching children to worship, it's about teaching them the history and basic philosophies of the different major religions of the world.
Sweden is one of the most secular countries in the world.
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 08:54:53 [Permalink]
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| Valiant Dancer and Dr. Mabuse, Please tell me why you think why you think Thomas Huxley promoting the reading of the Bible in schools was not a religious exercise? Charles Bradlaugh and W.H Mallock were contemporaries so the historical context argument is fatuous. There is no time in history when the Bible in school can ever be justified. Your agnostic hero Huxley was a unwitting stooge for Christianity. That's why the Catholic Church considers you agnostics allies against atheism. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 09:44:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Valiant Dancer and Dr. Mabuse, Please tell me why you think why you think Thomas Huxley promoting the reading of the Bible in schools was not a religious exercise? |
Before I do that, I'd like to see an apology from you for falsely claiming I think Jesus was a historical real person.
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 10:00:36 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse, Christianity and the Christian Bible are based on a fictitious character. I wanted to make sure everybody knew that so they would know the Bible is without merit.
I apologize for making it appear that you personally held that view that Jesus was a historical real person.
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 10:16:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dr. Mabuse, Christianity and the Christian Bible are based on a fictitious character. I wanted to make sure everybody knew that so they would know the Bible is without merit.
I apologize for making it appear that you personally held that view that Jesus was a historical real person.
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The Iliad, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Crime and Punishment, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, All Quiet on the Western Front, The Great Gatsby and the Tragical History of Doctor Faustus are all based on fictional characters. Can you believe I was forced to read all of these as a young schoolboy? It's no wonder I'm so morally bankrupt.
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
166 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2011 : 10:20:14 [Permalink]
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Dear Hal, In reference to your posting on page 18, I'm glad your kids are well and healthy. No doubt they enjoyed going on retreats in the country with Father Bob to find out about the evils of abortion and the sin of masturbation.
Not all children were so lucky. Your survey of one family doesn't really discount the following:
Roman Catholic sex abuse cases by country - Wikipedia, the free ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 10:24:53 [Permalink]
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| Hal, You miss the point. The Bible is not presented to children as a work of fiction. See the difference? |
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 10:29:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Hal, In reference to your posting on page 18, I'm glad your kids are well and healthy. No doubt they enjoyed going on retreats in the country with Father Bob to find out about the evils of abortion and the sin of masturbation.
Not all children were so lucky. Your survey of one family doesn't really discount the following:
Roman Catholic sex abuse cases by country - Wikipedia, the free ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country
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Actually, it was worse than that. They went to catholic schools, and catholic church with their mom, but our extended families, with whom they spent much of this "extra-curricular" time, are all deep-south fundamentalist baptists. Fortunately, they did get the message about the many pedophile priests, and the church organization that covered up for them. Unfortunately, they also came to know and love far too many priests, ministers, sisters, and lay-people who are not pedophiles, and who taught them to be seriously outraged about such things. Poor kids; if I'd known they'd grow up with such a confused outlook on the world, I'd have kept them in the Skinner box.
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/02/2011 : 10:38:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Hal, You miss the point. The Bible is not presented to children as a work of fiction. See the difference?
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I guess I'm just confused. My kids always knew that the sun doesn't stop dead still in the sky and that a camel can't really fit through the eye of a needle. In fact, the catholics were a lot more honest about this than their baptist influences. Sure, every once in a while they'd come home snickering about "virgin birth," or some such nonsense, but their teachers must not have been very good, because they never really bought into it (and trust me -- I never challenged any of this stuff when they brought it up, although I did express some skepticism over "Atlas Shrugged"). |
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