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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/10/2011 : 10:23:17 [Permalink]
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Dear Dude, I consider your question meaningless drivel and so does Goggle. They gave no answer but maybe this will help you in your pursuit of lucidity.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 10:31:11 [Permalink]
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Officiant: | You agnostics like to keep the door just a little bit open to the God idea. |
27 pages of discussion and you still seem convinced that self-declared agnostics are only agnostics because they have some emotional attachment to the god concept. *rolls eyes*
| Try this at home. Leave your door open just a little bit. Soon you will be living with rats,mice, squirrels, raccoons, snakes, birds, bats,wasps, mosquitoes, stray cats and all manner of vermin. In the same way giving a nod and waiting forever for the magical 100% proof leaves the door open wide enough for religious nuts to fly airplanes into buildings and wear suicide vests. |
Mmmmm, metaphorical nonsense! Ever hear of a slippery slope argument? |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
 Posted - 09/10/2011 : 10:39:54 [Permalink]
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Who is this Victor Stenger, I why should I give a toss about him?
That piece of rant you linked to, he didn't even finish his second sentence until he got it wrong.
Another Straw-man fallacy. 
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
166 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 11:02:37 [Permalink]
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Dude and Kil, Agnostic philosophy in action????Is that Thomas Huxley carrying boxes of the Holy Word of God The Bible into schools?
Shutting your eyes to religious atrocities and turning off your mind to the best science is agnostic philosophy in action.
Kil. I would like to thank you for finding that great piece on agnosticism by Madalyn. You dismissed the article by informing us that O'Hair was not infallible.
That is not a logical argument because no one is infallible are they? Please read the article again and refute her arguments. Be serious for a change.
You have to admit though that the appeals to authority read like a who's who of atheism don't they? Richard Dawkins, Madalyn O'Hair, Victor Stenger,
Charles Bradlaugh, Albert Ellis, Sam Harris and even Stephan Hawking.
Dr. Mabuse doesn't know who Victor Stenger is? Crawl back in your cave. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 11:17:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dude and Kil, Agnostic philosophy in action????Is that Thomas Huxley carrying boxes of the Holy Word of God The Bible into schools?
Shutting your eyes to religious atrocities and turning off your mind to the best science is agnostic philosophy in action.
Kil. I would like to thank you for finding that great piece on agnosticism by Madalyn. You dismissed the article by informing us that O'Hair was not infallible.
That is not a logical argument because no one is infallible are they? Please read the article again and refute her arguments. Be serious for a change.
You have to admit though that the appeals to authority read like a who's who of atheism don't they? Richard Dawkins, Madalyn O'Hair, Victor Stenger,
Charles Bradlaugh, Albert Ellis, Sam Harris and even Stephan Hawking.
Dr. Mabuse doesn't know who Victor Stenger is? Crawl back in your cave.
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Proving that Kil is right about you.
Is pathetic that you are so unschooled that you don't even comprehend the problem I'm describing to you. I think you may have invented a new fallacy of argument as well, false appeal to Google!
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 11:21:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dude and Kil, Agnostic philosophy in action????Is that Thomas Huxley carrying boxes of the Holy Word of God The Bible into schools?
Shutting your eyes to religious atrocities and turning off your mind to the best science is agnostic philosophy in action.
Kil. I would like to thank you for finding that great piece on agnosticism by Madalyn. You dismissed the article by informing us that O'Hair was not infallible.
That is not a logical argument because no one is infallible are they? Please read the article again and refute her arguments. Be serious for a change.
You have to admit though that the appeals to authority read like a who's who of atheism don't they? Richard Dawkins, Madalyn O'Hair, Victor Stenger,
Charles Bradlaugh, Albert Ellis, Sam Harris and even Stephan Hawking.
Dr. Mabuse doesn't know who Victor Stenger is? Crawl back in your cave.
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What's the point? No matter what I say, you will ignore it and repeat what you keep repeating. All of this has been done already. If you didn't get it the first time, why on earth would I take the time to do it again?
And yes, it is logical to say that O'hair was not infallible on the grounds that no one is infallible. I also pointed out her mistake, already. I didn't just stop at she's not infallible as you are suggesting. It's very typical of you to have ignored the meat of what I said about what she said in the post that I linked to. Also, if you agree that she was not infallible, than you should also agree that her take on agnostics might be wrong.
Also, at 27 pages, don't you think it's time for you to learn how to use the quote tags on this site? Or to at least learn to write in paragraphs? You've had a lifetime to learn that one... |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 14:21:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Dude, I consider your question meaningless drivel and so does Goggle. They gave no answer but maybe this will help you in your pursuit of lucidity.
Reality Tests - A Common Lucid Dreaming Technique | Lucid Dream ...
dreampush.com/reality-tests-a-common-lucid-dreaming-technique/ - Cached
Find more information about how to perform reality tests properly, effectively, what results ... There are a variety of ways to perform a reality test – but they're all pretty ... If you're outdoors in daylight, try making the sun set with your mind ... Go ahead and try some of the above tests and see which ones work out best for you. ...
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Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Officiant is either a complete idiot, or a professional troll.
Maybe both. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 15:24:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dr. Mabuse doesn't know who Victor Stenger is? Crawl back in your cave.
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So you skipped answering the question: he's such a no-body you couldn't bother a single sentece?
Then why bring him up in the first place?
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Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 09/10/2011 : 15:50:06 [Permalink]
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Why the appeal to authority fails: what Stenger calls an atheist, Sagan calls an agnostic. Who is right, Sagan or Stenger?
Officiant obviously approves of both of them, but only selectively. He can't be bothered to comprehend either of them. He just relies on their authority when it suits him, and he ignores it when it doesn't. |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
166 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 15:54:46 [Permalink]
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Dear marfknox, What is a a "self declared agnostic?" I found strong,hard,closed,strict,absolute,
epistemological,mild,weak,soft,open,empirical,temporal,pragmatic and apathetic agnostics. They
are all cowards waiting for 100% proof from a sociological laboratory. Agnosticism is perpetual
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 16:12:25 [Permalink]
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Officiant, why do you care anyway? Even if agnostics are the problem you proclaim them to be, why not focus on the avowedly religious first and worry about the stragglers later? What drives your obsession with agnostics?
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 16:54:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear marfknox, What is a a "self declared agnostic?" I found strong,hard,closed,strict,absolute,
epistemological,mild,weak,soft,open,empirical,temporal,pragmatic and apathetic agnostics. They are all cowards waiting for 100% proof from a sociological laboratory. Agnosticism is perpetual procrastination.
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So what category of agnostic does this fit in to?
"My view is that if there is no evidence for it, then forget about it. An agnostic is somebody who doesn't believe in something until there is evidence for it, so I'm agnostic." – Carl Sagan
This is what you prefer:
Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, or by extension by some other group or organization. It is authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted, or diverged from, by the practitioners or believers.
What you want Officiant is for atheism to be the flip side of the religion coin. Faith based and impervious to correction. Your brand of atheism is a religion.
And that make you the coward. You are cowardly because you will not even consider correction. You are cowardly because you own a big "T" truth, just as sure as the Catholic church does. You are the same thing. Only you pray to the "gods" of authority. And you haven't got enough sense to question them or yourself. Or you aren't brave enough to. You're right about one thing. You really aren't a skeptic. Skeptics must hold their own beliefs up to critical analysis. And you can't do that. You're just an ignorant fool of a follower just like any other religious fanatic who is so certain of their belief that they will not tolerate any other way of thinking. That's you, Officiant.
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
166 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 18:16:25 [Permalink]
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Dear Kil, Carl Sagan is not god and he was not infallible. He also famously said, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." That is an argument from ignorance. No science is conducted without evidence. And yes, I am aware of indirect evidence.
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
166 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 18:26:57 [Permalink]
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Dear Dr, Mabuse, Google Victor Stenger and find out just how dumb and ignorant you are. The man is a giant.
You are an oblivious worm who needs to do some basic research on the subject before bothering us further
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
166 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2011 : 18:42:06 [Permalink]
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Dear H. Humbert, You are not paying attention. I went back to page 1 and 2 where I already told you why agnostics are
like a cancer to the secular humanist cause.
Agnosticism is antithetical to science and is the enemy of civilization. It only serves to protect the supernatural.
from Madalyn O'Hair.
"Agnostic followers have always been allies of the church. The false notion that the world is unknowable undermines science and reinforces theology. It inclines man to faith and induces humankind to trust religious doctrines.
The church does not anathematize the agnostic and even the Roman Catholic Church will accept the agnostic in its fold. |
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