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Hal
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 Posted - 09/13/2011 : 11:52:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Kil, You are not eight years old. Adults do not say "who cares" or "I'll alert all scientists" as a way to avoid answering a direct serious question.
Please seriously address the aforementioned claim that agnosticism is self-refuting. Give your best metaphysical shot.
And Dude. I would like to see your answer on self-refutation as well. I notice you stopped asking your inane question. Did you find an answer?
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But it's still OK for adults to say things like,
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 11:58:29 [Permalink]
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It's all about ridicule Fripp. The best weapon. Science, logic, reason
and an inventor who supported placing the Bible in classrooms are not enough
to discourage the fervent cultism of the God believing agnostic like you,Kil and
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 12:07:23 [Permalink]
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Kil, That was in reference to a joke told by a well-known comedian. Are you too thick to recognize humor?
Next time I post a joke from a comedian I will add the disclaimer that this is a joke that some people
might find humorous.
You are obviously avoiding answering the claim agnosticism is self-refuting. Give it a try at least. |
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 12:17:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
It's all about ridicule Fripp. The best weapon. Science, logic, reason
and an inventor who supported placing the Bible in classrooms are not enough
to discourage the fervent cultism of the God believing agnostic like you,Kil and
our new friend Falconjudge.
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Sure, ridicule can be pretty provocative, but don't you think it just kind of makes these castrati agnostics dig in their heels? Sadly, I'm not sufficiently endowed, in the cajones department, to make good use of it. That's why I get confused by statements that seem OK to me, but clearly fail the masculinity test for true atheists:
The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not.
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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Fripp
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 12:21:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
It's all about ridicule Fripp. The best weapon. Science, logic, reason
and an inventor who supported placing the Bible in classrooms are not enough
to discourage the fervent cultism of the God believing agnostic like you,Kil and
our new friend Falconjudge.
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The best weapon is actually facts and patient open-minded debate, without insults.
Your argument tactics are actually weakening your position and are more-than-likely to hurt your argument.
Why are you choosing to pick fights with agnostics/atheists? We have a common goal of minimizing/eliminating the influence of religion. It's like Catholics picking fights with Episcopalians when they both view Atheism/agnosticism as the enemy. And in their mind, they see no difference between the two.
BTW, it's obvious that you consider "agnostic" as an insult and you feel that you are "landing blows" when you call me one, even though I have corrected you. If you want to continue, by all means, go for it. I don't even remotely consider it an insult. I don't get hung-up on labels and levels-within-labels. But FYI, you're just wasting keystrokes.
Although, this topic has 30 pages of nothing but wasted keystrokes from you. Whatever you're trying to accomplish, you've failed miserably. Something tells me that that is the story of your life. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Falconjudge
New Member
USA
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 12:38:38 [Permalink]
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 13:16:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Falconjudge
The sad, sad story of a troll that people take seriously for some reason. |
Meh. It's been a while since we've had a chew-toy around here. |
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Why not question something for a change?
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 15:25:03 [Permalink]
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Dear Fripp, Agnostics are not Atheists and when you are wrong you are spectacularly wrong. Read the following. Ridicule: An instrument in the war on terrorism » News ...
Feb 9, 2006 ... Ridicule is an under-appreciated weapon not only against terrorists, but .... The best ones ...
www.iwp.edu/news/newsID.258/news_detail.asp
Info on Islam: Ridicule, mockery and satire - the best weapons ...
Jan 23, 2010 ... Ridicule, mockery and satire - the best weapons against Islam. If your enemy is temperamental, seek to ...
crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/ridicule-mockey-and-satire-best-weapons.html |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 16:01:37 [Permalink]
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The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
Hal, That is exactly what I'm talking about and I will just love calling them castrati agnostics. Thanks for this. Listen to them singing and hitting the real high notes. |
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 17:00:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
Hal, That is exactly what I'm talking about and I will just love calling them castrati agnostics. Thanks for this. Listen to them singing and hitting the real high notes.
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So... do you consider yourself the opposite of a religious fanatic?
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 17:42:35 [Permalink]
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Hal, Are you trolling me? I consider myself a militant atheist and that is the only rational position.
The gentle cynic who cares not is the agnostic.
Your cajones were apparently sufficient to result in progeny that you lied to about the supernatural.
My children would not allow me to swear because an atheist doesn't believe in God. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 18:04:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Kil, You are not eight years old. Adults do not say "who cares" or "I'll alert all scientists" as a way to avoid answering a direct serious question.
Please seriously address the aforementioned claim that agnosticism is self-refuting. Give your best metaphysical shot.
And Dude. I would like to see your answer on self-refutation as well. I notice you stopped asking your inane question. Did you find an answer?
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You have failed to provide an answer to the question I asked, your pathetic responses indicate that you don't even understand the question at all.
Your degree of willful ignorance and general stupidity put any creationist I have ever seen to shame. You trump them all, and there are some seriously fucking stupid creationists out there.
Your refusal to engage my question indicates that you are incapable of having an intelligent conversation on this topic. I'll address your moronic "agnosticism is self refuting" after you answer my question to you, not before.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 18:15:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
It's all about ridicule Fripp. The best weapon. Science, logic, reason
and an inventor who supported placing the Bible in classrooms are not enough
to discourage the fervent cultism of the God believing agnostic like you,Kil and
our new friend Falconjudge.
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Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you, because you are so incredibly ignorant and unschooled, that Azimov's famous quote about the bible was inspired by Huxley. I'll paraphrase- One of the best ways to convince a person that religion is nonsense is to have them read a bible.
If Huxley wanted bibles in classrooms it is only because no honest reading of that book, by anyone capable of reading, would convince them that any deity existed. It is so filled with contradictions, outright evil, and horrific acts that it is a tool for the promotion of atheism.
Also, how many times do you have to be told that the majority of members here who call themselves agnostic do not hold any god beliefs? You clearly fail to understand Sagan's idea of agnosticism and the fact that agnostics are (by definition) atheists. You are just hoping to antagonize people by repeating that little lie of yours. Do yourself a favor, just delete your account here. You are on the path to being kicked out anyway.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/13/2011 : 18:19:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Hal, Are you trolling me? I consider myself a militant atheist and that is the only rational position.
The gentle cynic who cares not is the agnostic.
Your cajones were apparently sufficient to result in progeny that you lied to about the supernatural.
My children would not allow me to swear because an atheist doesn't believe in God.
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You are a religious fanatic. You are every bit as stupid and dangerous as people who believe they are going to get rewarded in the afterlife if they die a martyr. Because you share the trait common to religious fanatics of all beliefs, the inability to even imagine you may be wrong.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2011 : 18:20:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/ridicule-mockey-and-satire-best-weapons.html |
Well, since it's important to you that Huxley was a racist, I guess it stands to reason that you agree with the above's support for fascism and violence, and the support that they in turn get from American Evangelicals like Pat Robertson.Hal, Are you trolling me? I consider myself a militant atheist and that is the only rational position.
The gentle cynic who cares not is the agnostic. |
So you're a Catholic fascist chickenhawk posing as an ignorant, irrational atheist. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
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