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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/16/2011 : 06:37:32 [Permalink]
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| Val, you apparently continue to be convinced that the quality and likelihood of a school or day care to push religion on kids is more influenced by whether or not it is run by the government, and less influenced by regional and economic factors. But observable evidence suggests otherwise. I've written a lot trying to point out that the crappiest institutions and conditions are more often found in low income communities, while the best are found in affluent communities, regardless of the level of government involvement. You ignore all of those arguments. You don't even bother to counter them. It is frustrating to say the least. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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 Posted - 09/16/2011 : 08:18:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Val, you apparently continue to be convinced that the quality and likelihood of a school or day care to push religion on kids is more influenced by whether or not it is run by the government, and less influenced by regional and economic factors. But observable evidence suggests otherwise. I've written a lot trying to point out that the crappiest institutions and conditions are more often found in low income communities, while the best are found in affluent communities, regardless of the level of government involvement. You ignore all of those arguments. You don't even bother to counter them. It is frustrating to say the least.
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But yet those institions cost the same when run by government in those areas. The money is more likely squandered or embezzled in the poorer communities or the money goes to replace stolen items in the poorer communities more often than the affluent ones. Its how Chicago works. Money is poured into the southside neighborhoods which have been economically depressed since the 1970's when US Steel closed up shop. Yet these districts pay much more per student that affluent communities and far more than poor rural communities.
I do not see government run daycare as a viable option. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/16/2011 : 12:22:45 [Permalink]
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Val wrote: | But yet those institions cost the same when run by government in those areas. |
Ahem, public schools in more affluent communities most certainly do tend to have more money to spend than in poor communities because the funding is often tied to property taxes.
| The money is more likely squandered or embezzled in the poorer communities or the money goes to replace stolen items in the poorer communities more often than the affluent ones. Its how Chicago works. Money is poured into the southside neighborhoods which have been economically depressed since the 1970's when US Steel closed up shop. |
Yeah, poorer communities are more dysfunctional. That's one of the reasons we have social services for them in the first place. Of course they aren't going to run perfectly smoothly. Is that your big argument against such social programs? Are you suggesting that these communities don't benefit from the services at all or that they would be better off without the services?
| Yet these districts pay much more per student that affluent communities and far more than poor rural communities. |
Um, are you complaining that the government spends more money on social services for poor, densely-populated communities than affluent and sparely-populated ones? And this is bad because...?
| I do not see government run daycare as a viable option. |
Yeah, I know. I just don't see why since your arguments seem to mostly be nonsequiters or really vague platitudes. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 09/16/2011 : 13:13:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Val wrote: | But yet those institions cost the same when run by government in those areas. |
Ahem, public schools in more affluent communities most certainly do tend to have more money to spend than in poor communities because the funding is often tied to property taxes.
| The money is more likely squandered or embezzled in the poorer communities or the money goes to replace stolen items in the poorer communities more often than the affluent ones. Its how Chicago works. Money is poured into the southside neighborhoods which have been economically depressed since the 1970's when US Steel closed up shop. |
Yeah, poorer communities are more dysfunctional. That's one of the reasons we have social services for them in the first place. Of course they aren't going to run perfectly smoothly. Is that your big argument against such social programs? Are you suggesting that these communities don't benefit from the services at all or that they would be better off without the services? |
No, marf. The argument refutes your contention that the programs cost less in depressed neighborhoods due to tax base. In Illinois, schools are disproportionally funded more for poor urban areas than middle class/rural working poor areas. There are not enough affluent areas in Illinois to make a valid argument that shifting more costs to poor urban areas will make an improvement.
| Yet these districts pay much more per student that affluent communities and far more than poor rural communities. |
Um, are you complaining that the government spends more money on social services for poor, densely-populated communities than affluent and sparely-populated ones? And this is bad because...?
| I do not see government run daycare as a viable option. |
Yeah, I know. I just don't see why since your arguments seem to mostly be nonsequiters or really vague platitudes.
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While you're at it, how about you accuse me of kicking puppies for fun.
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