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justintime
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 08:25:38 [Permalink]
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That is too bad. Women should be well represented in any debate especially when incoherent sexism is rampant. Opting out is a cop out and as effective as lesbians marching in public as a protest vote against sexual discrimination. Did women seek liberation so they could participate without any stigma in a promiscuous society? Or was it for economic independence that motivated sexual exploitation of man's voyeurism? Or are men still exploiting women as sexual objects but more liberally to satisfy contractual agreements?
| Your wrote "For crying out loud, justintime clearly uses the term "banged" to generically refer to sexual activity. Is it a crass way to refer to it? Sure. So what? I can't see how he intends to say anything sexist. I think his crass use of language is the least of his problems in this thread." |
Can you just accuse me for being crass. I know what a man wants i.e. a wife, family, food. If he cannot get that in a woman he will look for it in another man. Proof of it. Gays are not all about just sex. Gays want a family, to marry, to love and share etc etc.
So is the confusion over what men want and what women want that needs to be explored.
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Dave W.
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 Posted - 10/03/2011 : 09:35:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
I know what a man wants i.e. a wife, family, food. If he cannot get that in a woman he will look for it in another man. |
That's insane, considering the sheer number of happily bachelor, child-free straight men in the world, along with the number of unhappy bachelor, child-free straight men who fail to turn gay.| Proof of it. Gays are not all about just sex. Gays want a family, to marry, to love and share etc etc. |
That doesn't prove that straight men who fail to marry and start a family turn to gay men to fulfill those needs. |
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 10:05:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
It can be demonstrated women find it easier to block their minds and even pretend with their eyes open their sexuality is a natural development and not the result of men casting them as sex objects.
One good example pornography. Men enjoy pornography more than women. Seeing 3 men pile driving a sexually liberated woman is nothing short of heroic to men and the woman must apparently enjoy every minute of it or she would not be doing it not in this liberated society.
Women stripping and sliding on poles and a host of other sexually stimulating activity performed by them cannot all be for the benefit of getting a man who is having his dick sucked by another man to pretend it is a woman or to pretend the woman is a man. |
Wow. Just......wow.
Ummmmm. Every gay person I have ever spoken to on this subject (and believe me this is just logical extrapolation to answers to "when did you first know you were gay" and "doesn't the naked female form stir anything for you") have indicated that there was never a time that the imagry was not same sex.
You also seem to have a serious disconnect with the concept of imposed gender expectations.
The modern woman is liberated and no longer shackled to the home, raising children and kitchen which is what men want of their women. But liberated to show their womanhood in a more public arena.
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They do? Hmmmmmmm. I want my partner to share in the work and be fulfilled in what they are doing. I also would like to have a sane partner. (I have not been successful in that endeavor until recently.)
The best cooks, fashion designers, architects, pioneers etc etc have been men. And all this was achieved without closing their eyes and pretending to be. Even gay men do not close their eyes and pretend to be. They are men too and have made a conscious choice. |
There is no choice in gender identity. You either are or are not homosexual or bisexual.
Are women also acting on their own free will when it comes to their expression of sexuality? Is there a reason why you don't see that many lesbian pornography? Can it be if there isn't a man in it it cannot be fun. Wearing all those strap-ons and artificial appendages is for cyborg enthusiast.
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Son, I used to run an adult website. You aren't looking in the right spots for lesbian porn. There are huge communities for this. Even straight men can find lesbian porn stimulating. There are huge markets for the product.
Gays have the same wants and desires in a relationship that heterosexuals have. [sarcasm] I would have never known. What a shock. [/sarcasm] Just shows a hetrogeneous set of psychological needs in any romantic relationship. |
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justintime
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 10:55:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by justintime
I know what a man wants i.e. a wife, family, food. If he cannot get that in a woman he will look for it in another man. |
That's insane, considering the sheer number of happily bachelor, child-free straight men in the world, along with the number of unhappy bachelor, child-free straight men who fail to turn gay.| Proof of it. Gays are not all about just sex. Gays want a family, to marry, to love and share etc etc. |
That doesn't prove that straight men who fail to marry and start a family turn to gay men to fulfill those needs.
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Sorry again for being lazy and not providing the examples to support my statement.
What I meant to say was looking at the acceptance of gay rights in our society. Gays have not just stopped their cause after being accepted for their sexual preference. They also want to be given the same marital rights as heterosexuals. So their fight is beyond just sex but the need to fullfil other aspects of their unions. The need for family, children, etc. etc. even though it can only be had through adoption or surrogate mothers. Those paternal instincts are still found in gays similar to heterosexual men.
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That doesn't prove that straight men who fail to marry and start a family turn to gay men to fulfill those needs. |
That decision is made earlier when males are not comfortable with the opposite sex and what they can expect down the road. The same turnoff that might work in the reverse when males contemplate on choosing to be gay and don't like what they see. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 11:32:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
What I meant to say was looking at the acceptance of gay rights in our society. Gays have not just stopped their cause after being accepted for their sexual preference. They also want to be given the same marital rights as heterosexuals. |
Yes, they don't want to be second-class citizens because of who they like to have consensual sex with.| So their fight is beyond just sex but the need to fullfil other aspects of their unions. The need for family, children, etc. etc. |
It's well beyond that. It's a fight for basic human rights.| even though it can only be had through adoption or surrogate mothers. |
This is not true.| That decision is made earlier when males are not comfortable with the opposite sex and what they can expect down the road. The same turnoff that might work in the reverse when males contemplate on choosing to be gay and don't like what they see. |
So you're still insisting that it's a conscious choice?| Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. |
Indeed. But you're saying that people decide what's beautiful or not, and at a very young age. I know that what I think of as beautiful has changed over the years, and not because of any decision I've made. It's been a surprise to me to find that some actresses I thought were hot back when I was 20 now appeal to me not at all, and vice versa. |
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justintime
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 13:28:10 [Permalink]
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That is exactly what makes gays take their choices seriously. It is based on serious considerations and serious choices and not something fleeting because the stakes are higher for them.
I remember seeing a gay couple so happy after New York passed the gay marriage act. They sure looked a lot older and different when the city recognized their union. But they were none the less happier for it and 50-60 years wait did not deter or diminish they conviction or love.
I can hardly remember the last pornography I viewed or the stripper sliding on a pole or the my most recent sexual indiscretion. One cannot deny what one does not remember. It is akin to a biological function. When you itch you scratch. For everything else there is love and family. A Renaissance Man, I presume. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 14:21:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
That is exactly what makes gays take their choices seriously. It is based on serious considerations and serious choices and not something fleeting because the stakes are higher for them. |
The stakes shouldn't be higher, though. What's made them so high is ignorant bigots.| I remember seeing a gay couple so happy after New York passed the gay marriage act. They sure looked a lot older and different when the city recognized their union. But they were none the less happier for it and 50-60 years wait did not deter or diminish they conviction or love. |
Surely you're not claiming that they wouldn't be so happy had they been married 50-60 years ago.| I can hardly remember the last pornography I viewed or the stripper sliding on a pole or the my most recent sexual indiscretion. |
The fact that your memory is bad doesn't mean anyone else should be treated differently.| A Renaissance Man, I presume. |
I remember that film. Danny Devito, right? |
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justintime
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 15:04:51 [Permalink]
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| Sorry I did not know of the film and big ideas are not necessarily represented well in small packages. |
| Edited by - justintime on 10/04/2011 05:34:37 |
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