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justintime
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Posted - 09/30/2011 : 13:24:20 [Permalink]
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Here is why I think it is a choice. My best buddy and I always did the night rounds together looking for action. Some nights when the picking was thin we even shared the same broad. We even took our penicillin shots together from the same doctor and found out we had the same blood type +AB.
One night when the drought was on we had to call it a night. We decided to stay over at his place. In the middle of getting ready to sleep he reaches out and starts to suck my dick. I had to stop him because I did not know how I was going to explain this to his sister who I was sexually involved with.
That was a choice Kil. What if I let him and I liked it. I would be technically a gay or at least bisexual.
I met him several year later. He is married and even had a baby girl. In some odd way I looked at her and thought. You could have been my child if only you knew how close I came to banging your dad. Perish the thought. I was pretty drunk from the reunion. Try analyzing this. |
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Kil
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 Posted - 09/30/2011 : 13:29:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Here is why I think it is a choice. My best buddy and I always did the night rounds together looking for action. Some nights when the picking was thin we even shared the same broad. We even took our penicillin shots together from the same doctor and found out we had the same blood type +AB.
One night when the drought was on we had to call it a night. We decided to stay over at his place. In the middle of getting ready to sleep he reaches out and starts to suck my dick. I had to stop him because I did not know how I was going to explain this to his sister who I was sexually involved with.
That was a choice Kil. What if I let him and I liked it. I would be technically a gay or at least bisexual.
I met him several year later. He is married and even had a baby girl. In some odd way I looked at her and thought. You could have been my child if only you knew how close I came to banging your dad. Perish the thought. I was pretty drunk from the reunion. Try analyzing this.
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So he's bisexual and you're not. Still not a choice. Are you telling me that if you weren't going out with his sister, you would have done it? By the way. It was pretty rude of him to assume you would be okay with that.
Here's what I know. My brother could not become straight. He's gay and that's that. And while bisexuals may be able to choose who to be with, because they are bi, strictly speaking, homosexuals can not.
Have you considered the notion that there might be more than two genders? There are whole studies on the subject.
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justintime
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Posted - 09/30/2011 : 13:45:59 [Permalink]
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That is why I say it was a choice, Kil. It could have been a choice between my religion and same sex. It could have been between what I wanted more to be than the circumstantial accident. We make decisions we later regret or learn to live with or even feel they were the right ones. If we are taking responsibility for those decisions then we are in harmony with ourselves.
Today I am a little more practical. I will let any gay or lesbian suck my dick. If I can respect them for what they are I should show them I do not discriminate. And that is because I am sure of my sexual orientation. The rest don't matter. It is a choice I can live with. Knowing religion nor genetics really have much say in that decision process. I am a Renaissance Man. |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/30/2011 : 14:02:07 [Permalink]
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justintime:
Today I am a little more practical. I will let any gay or lesbian suck my dick. If I can respect them for what they are I should show them I do not discriminate. |
No lesbian would be interested. But what you are saying here, if you would actually "let" that happen, is that you are at least a bit bi-curious, if not bi-sexual. You can identify as heterosexual, but if you are willing to get off with another man, you are at least a bit bi. And yes. Bisexuals can make that choice because they are bisexual.
That said, Gay men don't do woman, and gay woman, don't do men. I'm sure there are exceptions, like for baby making. (Though in my brothers case, they used the turkey baseter method.) |
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marfknox
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Posted - 09/30/2011 : 14:21:14 [Permalink]
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justintime wrote: | Statistics appear to discriminate against homosexuals. Is it because they are more reckless, indulge disproportionately more in anal sex than heterosexuals or make bad choices. If you take out the religion and genetics. They aren't that much different from regular people. Just the sexual preference sets them apart. |
Actually, the stats show the spread is proportionately highest among young gay men, and African American men and women. That suggests to me that education and awareness are hugely influential in how responsible people behave with regards to sex. Unless you want to argue that black people and young gay men are somehow inherently more reckless than the rest of the population. The reality is that when people are well informed, and have sufficient resources and opportunities, they tend to engage in much less reckless behavior. Has little to do with whether they prefer sex with men or women.
Your "night rounds" with your friend were clearly just about cheap, and often dehumanizing sexual gratification. The fact that you speak of "shared the same broad" (opposed to using a much more humanizing phrasing, such as "slept with the same woman" shows that you were literally just looking for a vagina to stick your dick in. I don't know how your story shows that homosexuality is a choice. Your friend was obviously bisexual. Also, had you accepted his blow job, whether it would have indicated that you are gay or not would really depend on whether you were enjoying it because a man was doing it, or closing your eyes and enjoying just the sensation while blocking the fact that it was a guy doing it out of your mind. People masturbate effectively even though nobody else is there. They just enjoy the physical sensations and often also fantasize. |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/30/2011 : 14:22:27 [Permalink]
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I don't know if you can call it a latent development. Nor is it out of curiosity. Shit Kil I have two university graduating kids and still married to the same woman for 30 plus years. I am not aware of the turkey baster method which is artificial insemination.
But I do not want to deprive anyone with any type of sexual orientation access to my dick if it serves to demonstrate charismatic attraction. All these labels do not matter. It is all a choice and anyone can make that if they know at what stage and instance in their lives is this tangible, fathomable and doable.
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marfknox
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Posted - 09/30/2011 : 14:32:11 [Permalink]
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Kil wrote: | You can identify as heterosexual, but if you are willing to get off with another man, you are at least a bit bi. |
Generally I agree with this, but I think there are exceptions. I consider myself to be straight because I've never been attracted to any woman in the way I've been attracted to the men I've had crushes on, dated, and fallen in love with. But I can't say that I'd rather have sex with a man I find abhorrent than I woman I find pleasant and lovely. I am reminded of a party game I played a few years ago where the question posed to everyone was "If you could have sex with anyone in the world, who would you do it with?" One of my guy friends said "George W. Bush" because Bush was running for his second term at the time, and the idea was that a gay sex scandal would ruin his chances of winning the election. And take prostitution. Do prostitutes have to be even slightly attracted to the people they sleep with for money? I doubt it. If a prostitute can sleep with someone they find completely unattractive, why can't people do sexual things with people they find unattractive for other motivations. I can totally see a straight man who is very casual about sex and isn't particularly homophobic letting a gay guy suck his dick. He can always close his eyes and pretend it's a woman. |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/30/2011 : 14:42:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
justintime wrote: | Statistics appear to discriminate against homosexuals. Is it because they are more reckless, indulge disproportionately more in anal sex than heterosexuals or make bad choices. If you take out the religion and genetics. They aren't that much different from regular people. Just the sexual preference sets them apart. |
Actually, the stats show the spread is proportionately highest among young gay men, and African American men and women. That suggests to me that education and awareness are hugely influential in how responsible people behave with regards to sex. Unless you want to argue that black people and young gay men are somehow inherently more reckless than the rest of the population. The reality is that when people are well informed, and have sufficient resources and opportunities, they tend to engage in much less reckless behavior. Has little to do with whether they prefer sex with men or women.
Your "night rounds" with your friend were clearly just about cheap, and often dehumanizing sexual gratification. The fact that you speak of "shared the same broad" (opposed to using a much more humanizing phrasing, such as "slept with the same woman" shows that you were literally just looking for a vagina to stick your dick in. I don't know how your story shows that homosexuality is a choice. Your friend was obviously bisexual. Also, had you accepted his blow job, whether it would have indicated that you are gay or not would really depend on whether you were enjoying it because a man was doing it, or closing your eyes and enjoying just the sensation while blocking the fact that it was a guy doing it out of your mind. People masturbate effectively even though nobody else is there. They just enjoy the physical sensations and often also fantasize.
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It was to dramatize just how close we were as friends( the same blood type and penicillin shots). I tried to capture with words that reflected the immaturity of those growing years and the fact that you picked up on those reckless behavior demonstrates how well it was relayed.
I don't mean to demean the opposite sex but they were the exploits of strong hormonal imbalances, raging hormonal dictatorship to which we often have to subscribe. Such is the nature of man.
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justintime
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Posted - 09/30/2011 : 14:52:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Kil wrote: | You can identify as heterosexual, but if you are willing to get off with another man, you are at least a bit bi. |
Generally I agree with this, but I think there are exceptions. I consider myself to be straight because I've never been attracted to any woman in the way I've been attracted to the men I've had crushes on, dated, and fallen in love with. But I can't say that I'd rather have sex with a man I find abhorrent than I woman I find pleasant and lovely. I am reminded of a party game I played a few years ago where the question posed to everyone was "If you could have sex with anyone in the world, who would you do it with?" One of my guy friends said "George W. Bush" because Bush was running for his second term at the time, and the idea was that a gay sex scandal would ruin his chances of winning the election. And take prostitution. Do prostitutes have to be even slightly attracted to the people they sleep with for money? I doubt it. If a prostitute can sleep with someone they find completely unattractive, why can't people do sexual things with people they find unattractive for other motivations. I can totally see a straight man who is very casual about sex and isn't particularly homophobic letting a gay guy suck his dick. He can always close his eyes and pretend it's a woman.
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Isn't there a contradiction in your last sentence. The gay men can just as easily let a woman suck his dick and pretend it is a man. Not so.
These fantasies are more common in women than men. Mens fantasies are more directed, an exaggeration of what is desirable but still within the scope of practical limits. Remember he has to maintain his erection and not be overwhelmed by the fantasy alone. |
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marfknox
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 07:44:17 [Permalink]
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justintime wrote:
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You may not be trying, but you've managed to convince the two women who have participated in this conversation that you are expressing demeaning actions/attitudes towards women, first alienist with the "bang women" phrasing, and now me with the "sharing the same broad" comment. Maybe you need to find some new ways for more effectively getting your meaning across if you don't want to give the impression that you are a bit of a sexist pig.
| but they were the exploits of strong hormonal imbalances, raging hormonal dictatorship to which we often have to subscribe. |
What is that supposed to mean? 'Cause it sounds a lot like you are saying you couldn't help but be a sexist pig at the time.
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None of the men I'm friends with. |
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Posted - 10/02/2011 : 07:54:44 [Permalink]
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justintime wrote:
| Isn't there a contradiction in your last sentence. The gay men can just as easily let a woman suck his dick and pretend it is a man. Not so. |
I didn't say that. I said: "I can totally see a straight man who is very casual about sex and isn't particularly homophobic letting a gay guy suck his dick. He can always close his eyes and pretend it's a woman." The implication is certainly not that any or that most men could do such a thing. It is only that some men (and women for that matter) could manage to enjoy the physical sensations involved by blocking from their mind the gender of the person giving the stimulation. My point was that while I think that sexual activity with a person of the same sex is usually a pretty good indicator of sexual orientation (an indication that the person is gay, straight, or bi) the details of the individual experience are the final determining factors. I do not think that most of the men involved in prison rape are necessarily bisexual. And I suspect that under the right circumstances, a straight guy might let a guy suck his dick, just like I think many people with a homosexual orientation have managed to date and do sexual things with people of the opposite sex because they felt pressure to try to be straight. What makes someone gay, bi, or straight is their real attractions, not the sexual activities they engage in. |
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 05:14:46 [Permalink]
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| Wow, has this thread devolved.......... |
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 06:19:51 [Permalink]
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It can be demonstrated women find it easier to block their minds and even pretend with their eyes open their sexuality is a natural development and not the result of men casting them as sex objects.
One good example pornography. Men enjoy pornography more than women. Seeing 3 men pile driving a sexually liberated woman is nothing short of heroic to men and the woman must apparently enjoy every minute of it or she would not be doing it not in this liberated society.
Women stripping and sliding on poles and a host of other sexually stimulating activity performed by them cannot all be for the benefit of getting a man who is having his dick sucked by another man to pretend it is a woman or to pretend the woman is a man.
The modern woman is liberated and no longer shackled to the home, raising children and kitchen which is what men want of their women. But liberated to show their womanhood in a more public arena.
The best cooks, fashion designers, architects, pioneers etc etc have been men. And all this was achieved without closing their eyes and pretending to be. Even gay men do not close their eyes and pretend to be. They are men too and have made a conscious choice.
Are women also acting on their own free will when it comes to their expression of sexuality? Is there a reason why you don't see that many lesbian pornography? Can it be if there isn't a man in it it cannot be fun. Wearing all those strap-ons and artificial appendages is for cyborg enthusiast. |
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 06:50:31 [Permalink]
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justintime wrote: It can be demonstrated women find it easier to block their minds and even pretend with their eyes open their sexuality is a natural development and not the result of men casting them as sex objects.
One good example pornography. Men enjoy pornography more than women. Seeing 3 men pile driving a sexually liberated woman is nothing short of heroic to men and the woman must apparently enjoy every minute of it or she would not be doing it not in this liberated society.
Women stripping and sliding on poles and a host of other sexually stimulating activity performed by them cannot all be for the benefit of getting a man who is having his dick sucked by another man to pretend it is a woman or to pretend the woman is a man.
The modern woman is liberated and no longer shackled to the home, raising children and kitchen which is what men want of their women. But liberated to show their womanhood in a more public arena.
The best cooks, fashion designers, architects, pioneers etc etc have been men. And all this was achieved without closing their eyes and pretending to be. Even gay men do not close their eyes and pretend to be. They are men too and have made a conscious choice.
Are women also acting on their own free will when it comes to their expression of sexuality? Is there a reason why you don't see that many lesbian pornography? Can it be if there isn't a man in it it cannot be fun. Wearing all those strap-ons and artificial appendages is for cyborg enthusiast. |
So much incoherent sexism... can't wrap brain around... Yeah, I'm done. |
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Posted - 10/03/2011 : 06:52:06 [Permalink]
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Ebone wrote: | Wow, has this thread devolved.......... |
Agreed. I really regret seriously participating at all. |
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