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| No. There is a narrator. At the end he introduces himself as WSJ science columnist Robert Lee Hotz. There are clips of Lovejoy. I don't know if they are a part of an interview with this columnist or not. But there is a narrator. |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 10/20/2011 : 13:17:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
No. There is a narrator. At the end he introduces himself as WSJ science columnist Robert Lee Hotz. There are clips of Lovejoy. I don't know if they are a part of an interview with this columnist or not. But there is a narrator.
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Uh, yeah. How could anyone watching that not tell that there are two voices, and that the narrator voice who makes the quote is the same one that signs of at the end as a reporter for the WSJ?!?
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 00:34:08 [Permalink]
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| Yeah. A good article! |
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 07:18:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Here Dr Lovejoy even dares to say Darwin was wrong. |
We've known that Darwin was wrong for quite some time.
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 07:21:44 [Permalink]
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| Interesting stuff, isn't it? But Lovejoy still isn't saying what you have been arguing. Actually the article that Podcat posted above is a pretty good at explaining Ardi in layman's terms. |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 07:33:07 [Permalink]
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Dude: first, it's telling that you can't actually just say, "Oops-- that stuff I was attributing to Lovejoy wasn't something he actually said in that video." Most adults who want to have a serious discussion own up to mistakes.
Second: did you actually watch the video that you linked? He again says "human-like" and not "human". He also says things about Ardi, like "she lived in trees" and "she's becoming bipedal" (3:40-3:50). I don't think anyone would say that that describes humans.
We all get that Ardi is challenging some of our past views on the primate evolutionary tree, but it is simply wrong to assert that this fossil demonstrates that chimps and apes "came from humans" because Ardi was in no way a human; at best, you can say "human-like" but that's only when you're comparing Ardi to, say, a gorilla. |
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 07:48:03 [Permalink]
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Sorry about the double posting.
I don't know which group of Americans you guys belong to.
Only 40% of Americans believe in evolution. That leaves 60% who do not believe in evolution.
Now out of the 40% who do believe in evolution. America ranks 20 in the upper ranks and 27 in the lower rank in science (just behind Iceland). Average it and America is ranked 23 in the world out of 40 countries.
With this low ranking in science should even a discussion on science be encourage with Americans? What you see is what you get.
Now Americans rank 12 (high rank) and 23 (low rank)in reading skills which averages to about 18 in rank out of 40 countries just behind France. Now that is basic reading skills. Should Americans lean to read better and improve their comprehension.
Here was advice given to Americans by their own President many many years ago. Heed it!!!!
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.-- Abraham Lincoln
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 07:54:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Sorry about the double posting.
I don't know which group of Americans you guys belong to.
Only 40% of Americans believe in evolution. That leaves 60% who do not believe in evolution.
Now out of the 40% who do believe in evolution. America ranks 20 in the upper ranks and 27 in the lower rank in science (just behind Iceland). Average it and America is ranked 23 in the world out of 40 countries.
With this low ranking in science should even a discussion on science be encourage with Americans? What you see is what you get.
Now Americans rank 12 (high rank) and 23 (low rank)in reading skills which averages to about 18 in rank out of 40 countries just behind France. Now that is basic reading skills. Should Americans lean to read better and improve their comprehension.
Here was advice given to Americans by their own President many many years ago. Heed it!!!!
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.-- Abraham Lincoln
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And from a different thread where he was trying to link crime and non-belief
Link to thread
It was quite simple. 40% of Americans do not believe in evolution. So even though statistics show 75% of Americans are Christians. Only 40% are die hard Christians (true believers)
All the other stats are from Crime stats, population stats, crime distribution etc. etc.
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Which one is it, justin?
You've fucked yourself on this one.
Flipped the statistics to suit your purposes.
Which statement is true?
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Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Kil
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 07:58:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by justintime
Here Dr Lovejoy even dares to say Darwin was wrong. |
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Right. Darwin didn't have these great fossils. So all he could do was speculate on the cause of a large brain and bipedalism. Lots of anthropologists have been wrong. Louis Leaky and the Leaky family (Richard and Mary) were wrong too. They thought a larger brain came first. Mary Leaky, who found the first Afarensis fossils, didn't want her name on the paper that Donald Johanson wrote about Lucy, and her place on the family tree, because Lucy's brain wasn't big enough to satisfy their expectation. A big insider fight between the Leaky's and Johanson ensued. Now, if you look at Lucy, she makes complete sense in light of Ardi. She's what you would expect. Ardi filled that important gap between Lucy and our last common ancestor. The Leaky's wanted the split to be farther back to give time for the development of a bigger brain. They were wrong.
Ardi is fantastic because she blows out of the water the idea that our common ancestor was more chimp like than homo. Ardi suggests a more general combination of features that means the apes evolved as much as we did, or more. So we can't look at modern apes and deduce what our ancestors looked like from them.
But you know who was right? Many anthropologists believed that bipedalism came from brachiation and clinging and leaping arboreal primates. |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 08:06:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Sorry about the double posting.
I don't know which group of Americans you guys belong to.
Only 40% of Americans believe in evolution. That leaves 60% who do not believe in evolution.
Now out of the 40% who do believe in evolution. America ranks 20 in the upper ranks and 27 in the lower rank in science (just behind Iceland). Average it and America is ranked 23 in the world out of 40 countries.
With this low ranking in science should even a discussion on science be encourage with Americans? What you see is what you get.
Now Americans rank 12 (high rank) and 23 (low rank)in reading skills which averages to about 18 in rank out of 40 countries just behind France. Now that is basic reading skills. Should Americans lean to read better and improve their comprehension.
Here was advice given to Americans by their own President many many years ago. Heed it!!!!
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.-- Abraham Lincoln
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Holy crap: is English your native language? Moreover, what sort of argument are you even trying to make? Are you seriously suggesting that because a country of some 300+ million people "ranks" 23rd in the world (however valid those measures are) in science, and 18th in "reading skills" that us here at SFN shouldn't comment on science?
Never mind the utter weakness of that argument-- it's rich that you, who has done nothing but show a complete lack of reading and listening comprehension, and who has demonstrated nothing but an utter lack of scientific understanding, would try to lecture others on such things. |
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Kil
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 08:11:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
I don't know which group of Americans you guys belong to.
Only 40% of Americans believe in evolution. That leaves 60% who do not believe in evolution. |
Take a wild guess which group we belong to. SFN is essentially a science site.
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I think this quote better applies to you than us, given your arguments in this debate. And because you are talking statistics, that means that you very well could be one of that lower percentage of scientific illiterates that don't live in this country. |
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 09:31:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by justintime
Sorry about the double posting.
I don't know which group of Americans you guys belong to.
Only 40% of Americans believe in evolution. That leaves 60% who do not believe in evolution.
Now out of the 40% who do believe in evolution. America ranks 20 in the upper ranks and 27 in the lower rank in science (just behind Iceland). Average it and America is ranked 23 in the world out of 40 countries.
With this low ranking in science should even a discussion on science be encourage with Americans? What you see is what you get.
Now Americans rank 12 (high rank) and 23 (low rank)in reading skills which averages to about 18 in rank out of 40 countries just behind France. Now that is basic reading skills. Should Americans lean to read better and improve their comprehension.
Here was advice given to Americans by their own President many many years ago. Heed it!!!!
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.-- Abraham Lincoln
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And from a different thread where he was trying to link crime and non-belief
Link to thread
It was quite simple. 40% of Americans do not believe in evolution. So even though statistics show 75% of Americans are Christians. Only 40% are die hard Christians (true believers)
All the other stats are from Crime stats, population stats, crime distribution etc. etc.
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Which one is it, justin?
You've fucked yourself on this one.
Flipped the statistics to suit your purposes.
Which statement is true?
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If it makes you feel better. 40% of Americans believe in evolution. 75% Americans claim to be christians. But about 40% are true believers or hardline Christians.
60% of Americans do not believe in evolution.
9 out of the 10 GOP presidential candidates do not believe in evolution.
Jon Huntsman is the only GOP candidate who believes in evolution. That might explain why he is last in the polls. Anyone who believes he is a monkey will be dangerous in the White House. |
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 10:36:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
I don't know which group of Americans you guys belong to.... |
Yup. Your "theory #3" is utter garbage, and Lovejoy can't help you fix it, so it must be time for you to start flinging personal insults around instead of admitting your mistake. |
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