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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 10/21/2011 : 10:54:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by justintime
Sorry about the double posting.
I don't know which group of Americans you guys belong to.
Only 40% of Americans believe in evolution. That leaves 60% who do not believe in evolution.
Now out of the 40% who do believe in evolution. America ranks 20 in the upper ranks and 27 in the lower rank in science (just behind Iceland). Average it and America is ranked 23 in the world out of 40 countries.
With this low ranking in science should even a discussion on science be encourage with Americans? What you see is what you get.
Now Americans rank 12 (high rank) and 23 (low rank)in reading skills which averages to about 18 in rank out of 40 countries just behind France. Now that is basic reading skills. Should Americans lean to read better and improve their comprehension.
Here was advice given to Americans by their own President many many years ago. Heed it!!!!
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.-- Abraham Lincoln
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And from a different thread where he was trying to link crime and non-belief
Link to thread
It was quite simple. 40% of Americans do not believe in evolution. So even though statistics show 75% of Americans are Christians. Only 40% are die hard Christians (true believers)
All the other stats are from Crime stats, population stats, crime distribution etc. etc.
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Which one is it, justin?
You've fucked yourself on this one.
Flipped the statistics to suit your purposes.
Which statement is true?
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If it makes you feel better. 40% of Americans believe in evolution. 75% Americans claim to be christians. But about 40% are true believers or hardline Christians.
60% of Americans do not believe in evolution.
9 out of the 10 GOP presidential candidates do not believe in evolution.
Jon Huntsman is the only GOP candidate who believes in evolution. That might explain why he is last in the polls. Anyone who believes he is a monkey will be dangerous in the White House.
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Source for 60% disbelieving evolution? |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 11:00:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Source for 60% disbelieving evolution?
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Why are you asking this guy about his sources? He obviously doesn't care about being factually correct, and is happy to trot out any old number he wants so make his argument. When called on it, he'll just avoid it and move on to a new line of debate. This is textbook behavior that we've seen for years here. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 11:03:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
I don't know which group of Americans you guys belong to.
Only 40% of Americans believe in evolution. That leaves 60% who do not believe in evolution. |
While I'm not American, I do believe I speak for most Skeptic Friends when I say that practically none of us believe in evolution.
On the contrary, we accept the theory of evolution to the currently best explanation for the biodiversity we find on earth today.
Now out of the 40% who do believe in evolution. America ranks 20 in the upper ranks and 27 in the lower rank in science (just behind Iceland). Average it and America is ranked 23 in the world out of 40 countries. |
So...?
With this low ranking in science should even a discussion on science be encourage with Americans? What you see is what you get.
Now Americans rank 12 (high rank) and 23 (low rank)in reading skills which averages to about 18 in rank out of 40 countries just behind France. Now that is basic reading skills. Should Americans lean to read better and improve their comprehension.
Here was advice given to Americans by their own President many many years ago. Heed it!!!!
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.-- Abraham Lincoln
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Red herring, and a fucking ironic insult.
You're a TROLL. And with this post, you removed all doubt.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 11:36:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Source for 60% disbelieving evolution?
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Why are you asking this guy about his sources? He obviously doesn't care about being factually correct, and is happy to trot out any old number he wants so make his argument. When called on it, he'll just avoid it and move on to a new line of debate. This is textbook behavior that we've seen for years here.
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Force of habit.
I'm not holding my breath for him to actually support any of his statements. |
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justintime
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 14:12:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by justintime
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by justintime
Sorry about the double posting.
I don't know which group of Americans you guys belong to.
Only 40% of Americans believe in evolution. That leaves 60% who do not believe in evolution.
Now out of the 40% who do believe in evolution. America ranks 20 in the upper ranks and 27 in the lower rank in science (just behind Iceland). Average it and America is ranked 23 in the world out of 40 countries.
With this low ranking in science should even a discussion on science be encourage with Americans? What you see is what you get.
Now Americans rank 12 (high rank) and 23 (low rank)in reading skills which averages to about 18 in rank out of 40 countries just behind France. Now that is basic reading skills. Should Americans lean to read better and improve their comprehension.
Here was advice given to Americans by their own President many many years ago. Heed it!!!!
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.-- Abraham Lincoln
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And from a different thread where he was trying to link crime and non-belief
Link to thread
It was quite simple. 40% of Americans do not believe in evolution. So even though statistics show 75% of Americans are Christians. Only 40% are die hard Christians (true believers)
All the other stats are from Crime stats, population stats, crime distribution etc. etc.
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Which one is it, justin?
You've fucked yourself on this one.
Flipped the statistics to suit your purposes.
Which statement is true?
Edited to add link
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If it makes you feel better. 40% of Americans believe in evolution. 75% Americans claim to be christians. But about 40% are true believers or hardline Christians.
60% of Americans do not believe in evolution.
9 out of the 10 GOP presidential candidates do not believe in evolution.
Jon Huntsman is the only GOP candidate who believes in evolution. That might explain why he is last in the polls. Anyone who believes he is a monkey will be dangerous in the White House.
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Source for 60% disbelieving evolution?
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Here is the facts and link. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060810-evolution.html
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justintime
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 14:34:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Source for 60% disbelieving evolution?
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Why are you asking this guy about his sources? He obviously doesn't care about being factually correct, and is happy to trot out any old number he wants so make his argument. When called on it, he'll just avoid it and move on to a new line of debate. This is textbook behavior that we've seen for years here.
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I will admit to making a few typo mistakes. But I have a full time job, 2 university going boys and a must fuck 3 times a week wife. The only statistics I am interested in really is how many see Islam as the solution for infidelity and if those 72 virgins are real.
I have considered converting to Islam but the thought of circumcising a perfectly good lightening rod is a hurdle I have to cross. But those 72 virgins are hard to pass.
Do I really give a shit how many Americans believe in evolution. It is their 9/11 anti Islam that is affecting my conversion and the missed opportunities.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/21/2011 : 19:51:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
I will admit to making a few typo mistakes. |
Your idiocy isn't limited to fat fingers.| But I have a full time job, 2 university going boys and a must fuck 3 times a week wife. |
Boo hoo.
What the hell are you doing wasting your precious time here?
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 10/22/2011 : 01:32:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Source for 60% disbelieving evolution?
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Why are you asking this guy about his sources? He obviously doesn't care about being factually correct, and is happy to trot out any old number he wants so make his argument. When called on it, he'll just avoid it and move on to a new line of debate. This is textbook behavior that we've seen for years here.
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I will admit to making a few typo mistakes. But I have a full time job, 2 university going boys and a must fuck 3 times a week wife. The only statistics I am interested in really is how many see Islam as the solution for infidelity and if those 72 virgins are real.
I have considered converting to Islam but the thought of circumcising a perfectly good lightening rod is a hurdle I have to cross. But those 72 virgins are hard to pass.
Do I really give a shit how many Americans believe in evolution. It is their 9/11 anti Islam that is affecting my conversion and the missed opportunities. |
Holy shit. Lay off the booze if you can't handle it. No one will be mad at you. |
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justintime
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Posted - 10/22/2011 : 08:55:02 [Permalink]
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Dr Lovejoy is the only hope for evolutionist to get back on track. Darwin as DR Lovejoy stated did not have the benefit of fossil records, or understood genetics (Darwin did not even know of Mendels work) and over generalized his theory.
The greatest modern find is Ardi and with over 15 years of work put into it study. Ardi will revolutionize our understanding of evolution.
We will always have monkey believers among us. We will always have ape wanabees among us.
But there is a reason why Humans were created to walk upright and tall. It was so our nose did not have to accidentally smell someone else's butt talk. |
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Kil
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Posted - 10/22/2011 : 09:30:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Dr Lovejoy is the only hope for evolutionist to get back on track. |
Ardi is a great find. It has nothing to do with “evolution getting back on track.” Evolution theory is fine. Lovejoy is one of many who contribute. He also worked on Lucy.
jistintime:
Darwin as DR Lovejoy stated did not have the benefit of fossil records, or understood genetics (Darwin did not even know of Mendels work) and over generalized his theory. |
Darwin didn’t over generalize his theory of natural selection. It still holds up after 150 years. That other methods for determining relationships have come along has only strengthened the basic premise of his theory.
justintime:
The greatest modern find is Ardi and with over 15 years of work put into it study. Ardi will revolutionize our understanding of evolution. |
Ardi is interesting, and has caused us to look at human/ape evolution and modern apes differently. But it does not revolutionize our understanding of evolution in general. Ardi is not the first, nor will she be the last to cause us to reconsider some conclusions about ape/human evolution, based on the introduction of new evidence. That’s how science works. Now you are over generalizing. But that's what you have been doing all along. You take a little bit of information and run with it to places it was never ment to go.
The rest of your post isn’t worth commenting on. At least by me, anyway.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/22/2011 : 14:32:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
We will always have monkey believers among us. |
Since that's what all of the evidence points to, why not? |
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podcat
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Posted - 10/22/2011 : 23:46:58 [Permalink]
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Here's a more current (2009) Pew poll:
http://www.pewforum.org/Science-and-Bioethics/Public-Opinion-on-Religion-and-Science-in-the-United-States.aspx#2
And if you really want to go by the 2006 Michigan State Poll, when Americans in their survey were given this statement:
| "Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals." |
40% said they believed the statement to be true
40% said they believed the statement to be false
20% were not sure
Really, you could just as easily lump the 20% who aren't sure in the "believed the statement is true" camp and say 60% believe in evolution, but doing that would be as dishonest as lumping the "not sure" with those who "believed the statement is false" and saying 60% do not believe in evolution. |
“In a modern...society, everybody has the absolute right to believe whatever they damn well please, but they don't have the same right to be taken seriously”.
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justintime
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Posted - 10/23/2011 : 13:36:51 [Permalink]
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Your current Pew Poll has some surprises as well.
General public Only 32% believe evolution happened through natural process. Which leaves 68% who don't believe it happened according to Darwin's Evolution Theory.
With some rounding of numbers.
1. 40% of Americans believe in Evolution (monkey believers)
2. 40% of Americans are against homosexual unions.
3. 60% of Americans do not believe in Evolution
4. 60% of Americans favour homosexual gay marriages.(The number of Americans who believe in legalizing gay marriages are now 57% in favor. )
There is something seriously wrong with those percentages of monkey believers (only 40%). Because if 60% of Americans are OK about homosexuals why aren't there the same percentage of Americans willing to accept the monkey theory.
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Kil
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Posted - 10/23/2011 : 13:48:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Your current Pew Poll has some surprises as well.
General public Only 32% believe evolution happened through natural process. Which leaves 68% who don't believe it happened according to Darwin's Evolution Theory.
With some rounding of numbers.
1. 40% of Americans believe in Evolution (monkey believers)
2. 40% of Americans are against homosexual unions.
3. 60% of Americans do not believe in Evolution
4. 60% of Americans favour homosexual gay marriages.(The number of Americans who believe in legalizing gay marriages are now 57% in favor. )
There is something seriously wrong with those percentages of monkey believers (only 40%). Because if 60% of Americans are OK about homosexuals why aren't there the same percentage of Americans willing to accept the monkey theory.
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So I take it that now that you have moved on to the deficits in our educational system, you have conceded the science arguments to us.
Works for me. |
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justintime
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Posted - 10/23/2011 : 15:55:41 [Permalink]
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That would be too easy to concede. But it is not that easy to dismiss 60% of Americans who do not believe monkey theories support homosexuality in modern American societies despite graphic similarities in backside coloration between monkeys and humans when appropriately stimulated.
There is a reason why most Americans stick to their guns, religion and traditional values. The Biblical Eve tempted Adam after being coached by the serpent in the garden of Eden. Man has since learnt to play victim and count their blessings.
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