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Kil
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 Posted - 10/25/2011 : 08:10:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Dr C Owen Lovejoy said;
"People often think we evolved from apes, but no, apes in many ways evolved from us," said Dr. C. Owen Lovejoy, associate professor of biological anthropology at Kent State University. "It has been a popular idea to think humans are modified chimpanzees. From studying Ardipithecus ramidus, or 'Ardi,' we learn that we cannot understand or model human evolution from chimps and gorillas." |
APES in many ways evolved from US No mistakes here Dr Lovejoy has been quoted in his own words.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09274/1002298-100.stm#ixzz1bnYbccdL
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You know you are full of shit. This has all been explained, and you only go back to it to keep this debate going, to see how long we will argue the point. You know that Ardi wasn't human. Lovejoy and the others that you ignore have made that clear to anyone with reading comprehension skills.
From the same article:
Primary authors in the project include Dr. Lovejoy, who studied the skeletal remains below the neck and helped determine that Ardi could walk upright, but not as well as humans, and could climb trees, but not as proficiently as chimpanzees and other great apes.
Those results among others place Ardi as an important transitional hominid in the evolutionary journey that led to humans. |
Well... You can't make the evolutionary journey that led to humans if you are already human. Lucy was fully bipedel, like us. Ardi wasn't. Therefor Ardi was less human like than Lucy. This is some easy stuff to understand. So I can only conclude that either you are an idiot or a troll. I"m going with troll, trying to see how long we will respond to your purposely absurd take on what Lovejoy is saying.
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justintime
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Posted - 10/25/2011 : 09:50:57 [Permalink]
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I cannot believe even you have problems reading Kil. Lucy's fossil was a good million years after Ardi. Ardi's fossil was found to be around 4.4 to 4.7 million years old and Lucy 3.18 million years.
They could not tie Lucy to our common ancestor with chimpanzees and apes because it was too recent. The split between chimpanzees and humans happened around 6 million year ago.
What Dr Lovejoy was saying bipedalalism goes even further back than Lucy. Ardi's discovery then moves it closer to the period when chimpanzees and humans shared a common ancestor and that common ancestor was more likely human like and not ape/chimpanzee like.
In the video Dr Lovejoy said;
The most striking thing is everybody in the world upto now has thought we have evolved from something that was chimpanzee like.. It turns out that chimpanzees have evolved from something that is more human like. And so the evolution that we see is pretty much the reverse of what we thought. Darwin's theory was pretty good but completely wrong based on the new evidence (obviously Ardi) according to Dr Lovejoy. |
That is why you should have qualified people on your forum. Having moderators and admins acting as judge, jury and executioner only results in suppressing the truth.
I have been labeled a creationist, sexist, racist, Lovejoy evolutionist because I provided arguments in support of religion, race, evolution, sexual discrimination etc. etc. with as much skepticism to blend in with the skeptic crowd.
My links and sources have not been refuted. Challenged yes....but not refuted. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/25/2011 : 10:50:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
...that common ancestor was more likely human like and not ape/chimpanzee like. |
"Like" being the operative word.| That is why you should have qualified people on your forum. Having moderators and admins acting as judge, jury and executioner only results in suppressing the truth. |
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha! Yeah, that's why we deleted all of CRUX's comments: to suppress the truth. | My links and sources have not been refuted. Challenged yes....but not refuted. |
You're delusional. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/25/2011 : 11:25:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Come on DaveW lets be real here. I stumbled on SFN while chasing a TROLL who turned up as MG and CRUX in more recent memory. The truth is my being here was all an accident. |
Then why didn't you follow CRUX when we sent him on his way?
This is the smallest group of unintelligent people I have ever addressed in a forum setting. |
Come on, you know better insults than this.
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 10/25/2011 : 13:04:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
This is the smallest group of unintelligent people I have ever addressed in a forum setting. |
I agree with you on that! There aren't that many unintelligent people here but that number went up by one when you signed up. Why don't you go and find a forum with a larger number of people like you. One that will agree with all the woo you believe and keep posting here. SS
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justintime
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Posted - 10/25/2011 : 13:54:06 [Permalink]
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When DaveW recovers from his rephrasing of Dr Lovejoys "apes in many ways evolved from us" which DaveW would like to substitute with "apes Not in all ways evolved from us" as his argument. Which when fully compiled and rephrased makes very little difference to Dr Lovejoys original statement "apes Not in all ways but in many ways evolved from us"
Here DaveW is being corrected by CRUX for using the wrong term Phylogeny when the subject was Phenotypes. How can we be sure DaveW is adequately prepared for more complicated task like Dr Lovejoys discovery of Ardi.
Originally posted by CRUX
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by CRUX
No, my thrust is that you stop changing the question. Why are you intent on changing the question ? |
Because "diet" is over-simplified when the subject is phylogeny. |
The subject is not phylogeny. The subject is what caused the white flamingos to turn pink. It's about PHENOTYPES, not phylogeny. Like I said, stop changing the subject. I guarantee of you do that, your understanding of the problem would improve.
{laughing hard enough to cry }. Phylogeny indeed.
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I hate it when a TROLL like CRUX can get such a laugh out of a stuck on stupid skeptic. But it is on record. Such things are more common than skeptics are willing to admit. Heheheheh!!!! |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/25/2011 : 14:20:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Here DaveW is being corrected by CRUX for using the wrong term Phylogeny when the subject was Phenotypes. |
Apparently, a simple mistake is something to be crowed over. I wonder how many typos I can mock in your posts, justintime. Are you sure that's the standard of behavior you wish to abide by? |
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justintime
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Posted - 10/25/2011 : 14:55:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sailingsoul
Originally posted by justintime
This is the smallest group of unintelligent people I have ever addressed in a forum setting. |
I agree with you on that! There aren't that many unintelligent people here but that number went up by one when you signed up. Why don't you go and find a forum with a larger number of people like you. One that will agree with all the woo you believe and keep posting here. SS
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It should read like " what we have here is a small group of unintelligent people which I for whatever reason had the good fortune to address."
I have been on Dawkin's website for several years and on other larger forums where the pleasure is in exchanging knowledge with the widest selection of people from the widest selection of professional backgrounds.
I admit to being a bit critical here on SFN. because having the smallest group of unintelligent people the diversity of opinions and exchanges are limited.
You might be right to suggest this is not the home for the brave and like in Oklahoma you just have to say it twice like so. Oklahoma! Oklahoma! to get a diploma. I might have stumbled on the internet back roads of America. |
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alienist
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 10/25/2011 : 15:05:06 [Permalink]
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I have noticed that when someone is losing an argument, that person starts insulting the other person. People who are confident about themselves don't need to stick around and insult others.
So Justintime, the more you insult others, the more pathetic you look. |
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justintime
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Posted - 10/25/2011 : 15:20:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by alienist
I have noticed that when someone is losing an argument, that person starts insulting the other person. People who are confident about themselves don't need to stick around and insult others.
So Justintime, the more you insult others, the more pathetic you look.
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I noticed you are not distancing your self from the smallest group of unintelligent people I have ever addressed on a forum. You must be the chorus line. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 10/25/2011 : 15:35:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Come on DaveW lets be real here. I stumbled on SFN while chasing a TROLL who turned up as MG and CRUX in more recent memory. The truth is my being here was all an accident.
This is the smallest group of unintelligent people I have ever addressed in a forum setting.
If it got any smaller. One would only have to check the box which asked. Do you want your post directed at a cunt or a prick?
I count 5 participants. The forum with the least number of intelligent people and the most number of moderators and admins to keep those unintelligent people in line.
Keep up the good work. You have exactly 5 members and 5 staff to whip out a national consensus on most anything. Such is the power of a captive audience.
According to CRUX. "This is a very poor site, but well decorated." Whatever gave him that impression.
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To begin: you know that there's more to punctuation than the period, right?
In any case, your comment about the level of intelligence forum really speaks more about you and your web-surfing habits than anything else. The number of highly intelligent people who post and lurk here is significant, and so I can only imagine that you spend a lot of time browsing forums dedicated to theoretical physics, neuroscience, Sanskrit philology, Baroque music, and the like.
I assume you relish your role-- the one you imagine, anyhow-- where you come to a "skeptic" forum and best us all in debates about evolution, god, and so on, but please be aware that your act is hardly unique, nor is it compelling. Obviously, if you really had the evidence and knowledge to overturn something like evolution, or prove beyond any measure that a supernatural, omnipotent (but, strangely, petty and self-centered) deity existed, you'd not be wasting time on this forum posting your drivel (in some strange form of English where. You can only. Use a period. [Expletive]) to a bunch of anonymous people with a genuine interest in atheism, science, and skepticism.
We do enjoy people of your ilk-- it makes things interesting. So keep on pushing your odd stance on things like evolution and American culture. And please keep up the crazily-worded posts, the bitter old man-style insults, the quote-mining, goalpost-moving, and so on. We expect it and look forward to more. |
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justintime
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Posted - 10/26/2011 : 07:30:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
so I can only imagine that you spend a lot of time browsing forums dedicated to theoretical physics, neuroscience, Sanskrit philology, Baroque music, and the like. |
I am a Renaissance man.
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
I assume you relish your role-- the one you imagine, anyhow-- where you come to a "skeptic" forum and best us all in debates about evolution, god, and so on, but please be aware that your act is hardly unique, nor is it compelling. Obviously, if you really had the evidence and knowledge to overturn something like evolution, or prove beyond any measure that a supernatural, omnipotent (but, strangely, petty and self-centered) deity existed. |
I do my best to keep the uninitiated informed. It is not my intention to best anyone in debates. Nor do I consider my knowledge unique since I am able to quote and link to other professionals in the various field who support my position. In fact many of the professionals I quote are very mainstream scientist and educators.
That I am wasting my time here when I could be doing so much more with my knowledge depth. I am an accomplished person.
I repeat. I accidentally stumbled on this site while tracking a TROLL CRUX aka MG. SFN with the smallest group of unintelligent people is a lot easier to deal with than some of the larger forums where the unintelligent group is proportionately larger.
I keep my responses short to minimize wasting anymore time than necessary. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/26/2011 : 07:51:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
...I am able to quote and link to other professionals in the various field who support my position. |
Not in this thread.| That I am wasting my time here when I could be doing so much more with my knowledge depth.[quote]I keep my responses short to minimize wasting anymore time than necessary. |
You should maximize that strategy. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 10/26/2011 : 08:44:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
so I can only imagine that you spend a lot of time browsing forums dedicated to theoretical physics, neuroscience, Sanskrit philology, Baroque music, and the like. |
I am a Renaissance man. |
I seriously doubt you have any remote interests in the above, to say nothing of an even lay person's grasp of them.
| I do my best to keep the uninitiated informed. It is not my intention to best anyone in debates. Nor do I consider my knowledge unique since I am able to quote and link to other professionals in the various field who support my position. In fact many of the professionals I quote are very mainstream scientist and educators. |
You do no such thing. Based on what you've linked and quoted, you demonstrate a lack of basic reading comprehension. You have no real knowledge in evolution or the history of the theory, so it's hard to call it unique or not.
That I am wasting my time here when I could be doing so much more with my knowledge depth. I am an accomplished person.
I repeat. I accidentally stumbled on this site while tracking a TROLL CRUX aka MG. |
Again, do you want some punctuation help?
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 10/26/2011 : 08:47:38 [Permalink]
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justintime:
Lucy's fossil was a good million years after Ardi. Ardi's fossil was found to be around 4.4 to 4.7 million years old and Lucy 3.18 million years.
They could not tie Lucy to our common ancestor with chimpanzees and apes because it was too recent. The split between chimpanzees and humans happened around 6 million year ago.
What Dr Lovejoy was saying bipedalalism goes even further back than Lucy. Ardi's discovery then moves it closer to the period when chimpanzees and humans shared a common ancestor and that common ancestor was more likely human like and not ape/chimpanzee like. |
As Dave said, "like" is the operative word. I don't disagree with any of the above. So what's your main malfunction? I would only amend the word "ape" to mean "modern ape" because that's what Lovejoy is saying. Our common ancestor was still an ape, though not modern. Which brings us back to what Lovejoy is saying. We can't look at apes living today and deduce from them what our common ancestor, who had more generalized features including many that are more human "like" (but no where close to being human) looked like. And this is what I have been arguing for this whole thread. So it must be you and your over-generalizations of Ardi's significance to evolution in general. Don't blame me if your communication skills aren't all they could be.
justintime:
My links and sources have not been refuted. Challenged yes....but not refuted. |
Also, you did try to make the case that orangutans and all the apes gave rise to human races. You used as an expert, an article by an Indian photographer published on a racist site. I would suggest that Ardi herself refutes the claims made by that moron. Wouldn't you agree?
As for your insults... Whatever. I'm sure that in your mind, you are the smartest guy in the room. I don't see how that's much different than what Crux thought of himself.
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