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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 16:40:08 [Permalink]
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| Why is there anyone called Klaatu that you know of? |
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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 16:42:33 [Permalink]
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And can you give me more critque on the other stuff, the cave, the chambers, Massini, what about the information in the other links on this thread. Oh this is what I have been craving for, this is exactly what I have been asking for. |
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moakley
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 Posted - 10/12/2011 : 16:45:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
Why is there anyone called Klaatu that you know of?
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Klaatu barada nikto. |
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moakley
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 17:01:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
And can you give me more critque on the other stuff, the cave, the chambers, Massini, what about the information in the other links on this thread. Oh this is what I have been craving for, this is exactly what I have been asking for.
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Do you understand "Proof by Verbosity"?
- A plasma drill to bend around things. Which is why the US was involved since they were the only ones with the technology ???
- 6 foot high tables, the aliens must have been tall.
- A vibration in the romainia cave being the same as the one in the iraqi cave. Must be one of those sympathetic synchronicites. heart beat of the earth
- DNA driven device that reveals history relevant to where the owner of the DNA actually grew up. And Moon knows had Cessar been from the US it would have shown a history relevant to the Americas. Even though when Cassar used the device it failed around the middle of the 5th century. Probably due to some failure to upgrade the software.
Go to bed flanagan1000. I am only going to mock you.
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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 17:09:37 [Permalink]
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| But don't you see? This is what I was asking for, taking these claims aand given explanaitons like that. Thats al I wanted. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 18:05:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
But don't you see? This is what I was asking for, taking these claims aand given explanaitons like that. Thats al I wanted. |
But he's not giving you explanations, he's mocking you and Moon. That you can't see the difference indicates that you need some serious help. |
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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 18:27:23 [Permalink]
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| But I just want more of that, maybe a bit more detail, but it makes me feel better. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 18:34:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
But I just want more of that, maybe a bit more detail, but it makes me feel better. |
So you want to be mocked, despite it "not helping," because it helps. |
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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 18:35:54 [Permalink]
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| I want more pople actually look at these claims and making individual detailed explanaitions for them. Instead of just one wod senances. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 19:29:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
I want more pople actually look at these claims and making individual detailed explanaitions for them. Instead of just one wod senances.
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But what's in it for us?
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 21:43:24 [Permalink]
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http://www.andersonmultinational.com/ is still dead (the moving/deleted notices are dated Oct 10, 2011). But the whois info lives on. A "D. Anderson" is listed as admin, and an "M.Sawyer" as tech contact. Melbourne IT lists Anderson's email as domreg@inspirationalinternet.com and Sawyer's (Michael Sawyer) as michael.sawyer@internetsolutionspeople.com and gives 620 Park Ave #308, Rochester, NY, as street address for both people. The domain was created on 06-jul-2007, and will expire on 06-jul-2013 (so it didn't die because the domain registration expired, the owner probably failed to pay the web host).
Inspirational Internet has a server that hasn't been populated with content. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 21-sep-2007, expires 21-sep-2012).
 InternetSolutionsPeople (ISP) looks like an ISP (get it?). However, there is no pricing listed for any of its alleged services, and trying to get more information usually leads one to the online contact form. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 21-aug-2007, expires 21-aug-2012).
Since the Multinational site is kaput, I don't have links to many of the "businesses" that it was involved with. But I can remember a few, and have found links to others.
The Anderson Institute claims that it does not give out its postal address for security reasons. This is beyond stupid, as anyone willing to invest a little time and effort could locate a real-world building housing the place, if there was one, even if they didn't give out the address. This is why people have security guards, razor-wire fences and PO boxes. Anyway, Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 13-jul-2007, expires 13-jul-2013).
 Anderson Investors lists its physical address only as "New Mexico." Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 23-oct-2007, expires 23-oct-2012).
HopeMart claims to be a shopping site where the profits go to youth programs. However, there is no facility to put any of the products listed into the shopping cart. The only way to buy anything is to use the "go to Amazon.com" link. There is a PayPal donation link, with donations allegedly going to the World Genesis Foundation. And there is a mailing address for checks: World Genesis Foundation, 14 Franklin St. apt 401, Rochester, NY, 14604. This is at least a different address, but it's an apartment building, and it's only 2.4 miles from 620 Park Ave according to Google. The site seems to have not been updated for three+ years. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 05-Sep-2008, expires 05-Sep-2014).
World Genesis Foundation claims to be a charity focused on youth, but is absent from Charity Navigator. WGF lists both its general mailing address and Anderson's address as 620 Park Ave. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 04-Jan-2000, expires 04-Jan-2012).
WGF claims to have a ton of "Partners," including Edmund Scientifics, Clarion Hotels, Intel, Kodak and Sam's Club. I can't find any indication that these companies know anything about WGF. In support of my hypothesis, WGF also claims to be partners with the Internet Science Fiction Database and Romania SF Online. I'm going to ignore the dozens of links to Romanian sites, because I don't read the language, but there are still plenty of other "partners," other than the ones I've already mentioned above.
Biometric Visions is an unpopulated web site. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 02-jul-2007, expires 02-jul-2012).
 Cultural Foundation, "a division of Anderson Multinational LLC." Same 620 Park Ave address listed openly on the site. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 04-Apr-2008, expires 04-Apr-2012).
Fighting Supply, "a division of Anderson Multinational LLC." Same "New Mexico" address as Anderson Investors. Seems to be little more than a front for Amazon.com orders with an attached link farm. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 07-mar-2009, expires 07-mar-2012).
Living Through Art Foundation, another empty domain. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 01-Jan-2008, expires 01-Jan-2012).
New Ming, an Asian restaurant just 1.2 miles from the 620 Park Ave address. A real one, judging by the Google reviews, but even Street View doesn't show a store-front sign suggesting that the building is a restaurant. However, Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 15-jun-2008, expires 15-jun-2012), so perhaps Anderson or Sawyer was doing the restaurant owners a favor.
Rapid Express Transport LLC, a shipping and delivery service, located somewhere in/near Rochester. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 11-jul-2006, expires 10-jul-2012), another favor? I note that despite the fact that "Rapid Express allocates and donates a portion of all business profit to community and youth development programs," none of Anderson's youth-oriented organizations appears on Rapid Express' web site as a recipient of their largess.
 Security Group One is allegedly a security consulting group located in... New Mexico. However, the area code on the phone number is for New York. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 19-apr-2008, expires 19-apr-2012). This one actually has another domain, securitygroupone.com, which shows a duplicate web site but slightly different domain dates (created 04-apr-2008, expires 04-apr-2012).
United States Kickboxing Association is a domain that is pending renewal or deletion, since it expired on Sep 7th, 2011. Wikipedia claims that Paul Rosner is both President of the U.S. Kickboxing Association and Senior Director of WGF, but WGF's listing of its board currently indicates no such thing.
 Wisdom Art, "...unique, personal and timeless custom astrology gemstone jewelry and zodiac art..." Displays its address as 620 Park Ave #308. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 26-sep-2009, expires 26-sep-2015).
Atlantykron.org we've dealt with already. Sponorship by UNESCO seems to be false. Whois shows the same information as for andersonmultinational.com (created 18-Aug-2007, expires 18-Aug-2012).
Now, the World Genesis Foundation goes way back. They've claimed to have been partnered with UNESCO at least as far back as 2002, but again, I can't find any indication that UNESCO has ever publicly acknowledged their sponsorship of the WGF. In the old web pages, David Lewis Anderson is the founder of the WGF, but now he's only listed as President and CEO, with no reason for the "demotion." His WGF information page is more about his physics nonsense than it is about what he can or will do for kids.
It's obvious that even if David Lewis Anderson is a real person, that he's involved in several outright and obvious lies. The buildings alleged to be at 620 Park Ave, Rochester, NY (in the images) do not exist at that location, and those same buildings are also apparently in New Mexico. A single strip-mall suite (#308) supposedly houses Anderson Multinational, the WGF, InternetSolutionsPeople, the Cultural Foundation and Wisdom Art, which stretches credibility to the breaking point, unless they're all run by the same handful of people and have little or no inventory (that last is believable for ISP, since it's obviously a fake provider and so is unlikely to have any servers of its own). Anderson's "Ambassador for Youth" claim seems to be false, along with any direct support of UNESCO for any of Anderson's youth work.
If Anderson is a real person, he seems to be infatuated with doing charitable work even though he doesn't have a good handle on how to do it honestly. There's no indication that any money donated to WGF or through HopeMart will make any child's life better. Anderson seems to enjoy martial arts, or at least making a buck from selling gear. His time research is crap, as detailed previously. His ideas about security are ridiculous. He's got a very high opinion of himself and what he does, and is willing to resort to lies to puff himself up. Little, if anything, he says can be trusted.
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 22:47:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
Originally posted by flanagan1000
Why is there anyone called Klaatu that you know of?
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Klaatu barada nikto.
(hyper link added, SS)
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I'm glad to hear that you got some of the same value I found in "Here Be Dragons', moakley. It really didn't matter to me that apparently Flanagan chooses not to watch it. I only assume he didn't watch it because he has ignored answering direct questioning from me and you. I am unfazed because I know it may be seen buy those who come here, read and never post. You saw it! Flanny's issues are impossible to address when he insists that no one has listen or attempted to listen to that radio show. Flanagan has yet to learn that when dealing with others it really is best when there is a mutual exchange, one that goes both ways. We have read his concerns and went to his posted links but he refuses to go to our links. He has not read and understood. Why in the fuck, fuckity fuck should anyone even comment and debunk that radio show when he seemingly can't even understand what we write. Hell, he see's evidence where none exists because he wants to believe. Not unlike Theists.
Dawkins and Hitchens have learned from trial and error that it's a waste of everyone's time to even try to have a debate between Theists and Atheists. Absolutely a waste of time for the Atheist because Theists will reuse their erroneous logic and misrepresent the established evidence even after the errors have been pointed out time and time again. This is what's going on here. Just like Dawking, I'm pretty much done debating dyed in the wool, rock headed delusionist of any color, past a certain point. Que sara sara.
I searched to see if Brian Dunning did an podcast on "time travel" but no such luck. He does however have some possible insight and understanding that Conspiracy Theorists Aren't Crazy, unless of course when they are. Which he covers in the 10 minute audio podcast on the topic. You know flanagan you really should listen to this too or don't, I couldn't care less. It might provide some of the insight you desire and possibly could benefit from. I have found knowledge free and spoon fed is never as nourishing a knowledge consumed from one's own labor. SS
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moakley
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Posted - 10/13/2011 : 05:27:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
I want more pople actually look at these claims and making individual detailed explanaitions for them. Instead of just one wod senances.
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DaveW is right I wasn't providing any explanations, detailed or otherwise. I was mocking Moon using his own word salad explanations in support of his claims. Actually listening to that DNA bit twice.
Interviews are not evidence they are a means to sell things. Other Worlds Radio is just a friendly venue for Moon to sell his brand of snake oil. I was simply reminded of Von Daniken and having done book reports on his work as a teenager.
There's help to be had at this forum which you received from others on how to consider claims such as the ones that Moon makes, but I believe you came here looking for comraderie. That's why you seemed to wet yourself when someone finally listened to the interview. |
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chefcrsh
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Posted - 10/13/2011 : 05:40:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by flanagan1000
Ignore the Art Bell connection, this guy has good connections |
That is an ad hominem fallacy.
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How so?
...[chefcrsh then realizes there are 11 pages after the post he is replying to] Never mind you guys are too fast for occasional lurkers.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/13/2011 : 05:48:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
Oh my fucking god! I am a fucking history student, not a funking IT expert. There is nothing wwrong with that link, it has not given my laptop a virus. You hve really done itnow, sometims I just want to hear news that you and your faily were kiled in a mass shooting inside your house. really can't take it anymore. You don't fucking know me, and your being hypocritcal arn't yyou. |
Sez you. Your emotional appeals to listen to an interview and assurances that it hasn't damaged your computer further damages your credibility with me. If you are truly a history student then you should know the difference between historical accounts and legend. You are getting all worked up ofver a modern day legend invented by con men.
You act like a Klaxon and then you wish ill on me. On top of that, you call me a hypocrite. How? I suggested that you are acting like someone who want people to open a link. Has to be a reason and the "to soothe me" just wasn't working. This is where we analyze arguments and examine evidence. Thus far, you haven't provided any cogent evidence.
Please , just fucking listen, I can't take it anymore. Please just listen, fucking hell. I feel lik shit and all I'm now asking you is to just listen to that interview. Please, please, please.
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If you can't take it anymore, then leave the forum. I will not waste my time listening to a con man. I don't care how you say you feel. It is an emotional appeal to suspend critical thinking just to make you feel better. |
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Proof of cover up on time travel technology
