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Dave W.
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 Posted - 10/11/2011 : 19:26:08 [Permalink]
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Let's see some samples...
Lunchtime on the Island: "A video by Roberto Quaglia filmed at the Atlantykron 2009 Summer Academy of Learning operated by the World Genesis Foundation under the auspices of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization." The World Genesis Foundation we already know to be fake. Searching the UNESCO site for Atlantykron gives zero results. Roberto Quaglia, a science fiction author who shot the video, has some photos of Atlantykron 2007, and it looks like a small sci-fi convention.
Exponential Times by David Lewis Anderson: Little new that I can follow-up on. The Romainian Internet sites shown are tough to track. uskba.com is defunct.
Atlantykron 2010 - Highlights: "Prepared by Heather Caton, President of Wisdom Art LLC and Senior Director of the World Genesis Foundation." Wisdom Art, LLC is at the same street address as Anderson Multinational, the Anderson Institute and the World Genesis Foundation. This is the third different image I've seen of the supposed building at that address, all three different from what the actual strip mall looks like. Atlantykron itself looks more like a summer camp than a sci-fi convention in this video, with a focus on some sciency stuff. Lots of hippies.
Promo Atlantykron 2011: Now it looks like a newage festival.
What is this all supposed to prove? |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/11/2011 : 19:54:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
More information:
As I promised the discussion went on and the account is as it follows was the summer of 2008 , the person went to "Ialomicioara Cave" after he visited "Babele " On his way back from there he did not go back on the hiking trail but wonder in the surrounding area . I have to tell you that this would be an area where seeing military with arms and guns it would look out of place. He claims he was in a really remote area Not too far away from the hiking trail when two Military Man Romanian Military fully armed saw him asked him where he is going and then he said he got lost so they directed him towards the Hiking trails.
His statement seem honest to me . He said he did not see a building or an entrance to anything nor a military base but for the remote area he was in he said that it was very strange to have those military man there ..very serious and non communicative.
I will upload the map so we can all see how the Babele is positioned and how the "Ialomicioara Cave"map is and a little more info about this area . Also I thought this was really strange because all this happened in the proximity of this cave system.
I hope this is a step forward.
Then I was directed by the same man to look into some info by Andrea Caprarescu that claims there is a gate in the Carpatian Mountains towards another dimension.
I will translate this and post it withing few minutes .
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread661940/pg7
I feel like running away somewhere, anyway, I cant take it anymore. Thats it, it looks like this is all real.
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Romania is littered with caves. It is not unusual for militaries to have portions of countryside blocked off for exercises or bases that he may not have seen from the road or trail.
These cave systems were alledgedly used by Nazi Germany to hide their V2 rocket program after the French and German sites were getting a pasting by Allied bombers.
You are taking the more bizarre claims from an anonymous man that even though he saw nothing that he believes (based on what? A Strega told him?) that these caves house some sort of gate to another dimention.
Yah. And fairies might fly out of my butt, too. |
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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 04:09:04 [Permalink]
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| I don't know, I just so tired for doingso much research on to this late in night even though I have a seminar in the morning. This whole things taking over my life and its now effecting my tudying. |
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moakley
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 05:21:02 [Permalink]
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Get help ... or don't. That too is a choice.
Originally posted by flanagan1000
I don't know, I just so tired for doingso much research on to this late in night even though I have a seminar in the morning. This whole things taking over my life and its now effecting my tudying.
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You are not doing research and you have already received the critical analysis of your "evidence" which you have rejected for no reason apparent to me. One thing to keep in mind when in a skeptics forum is that it is Ok to be wrong. |
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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 06:38:51 [Permalink]
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But I want to be wrong. Its just that no one here has shown me why its all wrong. I know I'm frustrating you al when I keep saying it. But it really is frustrating me to. Just saying its all fiction and noot looking at all the claims from the links, interviews ad content from the actual books is not helping me at all, my anxietis just continue and I keep listenin to that interview where Peter discusses te books, his voice just twinges my fears as his speaks so confidently.
Speaking of Moon, I just found out he used to be a member of Scientlogy ad was part of the Sea Org group. That'swhy he has writtenbooks abd L. Ron Hubbard. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 07:01:58 [Permalink]
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| Some poeple in Central America believe that Smurfs are real gremlin-like demons, do we also need to show you step by step why this is ludicrious? We can't refute baseless claims with no evidence to analyze... |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 07:08:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sailingsoul
Flanagan, Don't be afraid, we are and YOU are not in any danger. At least not from time travelers changing the past thus causing items and people to disappear in front of your eyes. Has that happened to you yet? When that happens, then, you might have something to worry about but until that happens don't panic. One misconception you have is that if some is interviewed on a radio show that that is verification that what they say is true. That is simply not the case. Being a guest on a radio show or getting a spot on Good Morning America for that matter, does not give anyone a stamp of validity. People make claims all the time that are not true and they swear that it is. People everywhere take ownership of completely delusional concepts. people taken in by those who profit by doing so.
Let's take a pause, start with taking a step back and have a reality check.| I've just sat down on my laptop all day trying to find answers. |
Your looking for anything that will dispute what these web sites are putting out but can't find anything right? Well your not going to find it on the their web sites. Maybe your not looking in the right place. This might help you to see what they are saying about time travel from a different vantage point. This very much can possibly help to see a bigger picture. Where you might see what psychological tools these con men are utilizing on anyone not versed at detecting their tools of deception. You just spent all day, give this a shot let me know what you think. SS
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flanagan You have said repeatedly that it is "us" who have not taken the time to "read properly" and do not fully understand what you have presented. How about you? Are you properly reading the replies your receiving? Did you view the video in the link "This might help you??? You haven't commented on it, nothing. Did you see any value in it for you, did you think it was bullshit, irrelevant, helpful, what did you think about it? Did you watch it? |
There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS |
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Dave W.
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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 07:43:00 [Permalink]
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| See, you musthave an nterest in it too if you manage to find that out, I never did. Have you listento the radio inerview Peter Moon. |
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 08:20:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
Have you listento the radio inerview Peter Moon.
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Have you watched the video on critical thinking? |
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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 08:24:31 [Permalink]
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| I just want people to listeen to that interview |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 08:26:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
But I want to be wrong. Its just that no one here has shown me why its all wrong. I know I'm frustrating you al when I keep saying it. But it really is frustrating me to. Just saying its all fiction and noot looking at all the claims from the links, interviews ad content from the actual books is not helping me at all, my anxietis just continue and I keep listenin to that interview where Peter discusses te books, his voice just twinges my fears as his speaks so confidently.
Speaking of Moon, I just found out he used to be a member of Scientlogy ad was part of the Sea Org group. That'swhy he has writtenbooks abd L. Ron Hubbard.
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You keep insisting that we prove you wrong yet have not given us any evidence that we have not refuted.
The burden of proof is on the claimant. You must show that what you are saying is true using reputable sources and verifiable evidence.
We have shown you where your sources are disreputable.
Now you bring up the fact that the man speaks confidently about this. Con men speak confidently when seperating rubes from their money. How is this any different?
Moon is a Scientologist. So what. How does this make him more or less qualified to speak on this subject? How does him being a Scientologist have anything to do with his work? Although, Scientology does believe in some pretty strange stuff. Engrams caused by the souls of murdered aliens in primordial Earth. Stuff of religion.
He is still speaking on a subject that he has no evidence for. His claims are suspect because of it. Turning it into a religious subject, then we can discount it entirely due to the absense of evidence.
Did you know that Christians believe that a zombie saved their souls? It's in the Bible. They believe it to be true and speak so confidently of it. (And it is completely without evidence and can be discounted as merely religious belief not based on current events.)
It beggars the imagination that someone would take the default stance that a conspiracy, if presented confidently, must be true absent any evidence. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 08:29:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
I just want people to listeen to that interview
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So you have no interest in learning about critical thinking.
Are you a shill for this organization? You won't get any money out of us, we've seen some of the more bizarre come ons like the Pure Investor scam and didn't give them any money either.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 08:30:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by flanagan1000
Its just that no one here has shown me why its all wrong. |
Again: it's not up to us to do that. If you want to believe this stuff is real, then you need to find compelling evidence that it's non-fiction. Just saying that it "looks" real and whining when your wild conclusions aren't validated isn't evidence.| See, you musthave an nterest in it too if you manage to find that out, I never did. |
So who is the one looking into the details?| Have you listento the radio inerview Peter Moon. |
Not yet. I'm waiting for you to provide evidence that he's not just pandering to his audience. |
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flanagan1000
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Posted - 10/12/2011 : 08:43:52 [Permalink]
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| Just listen to te interview, please. |
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Proof of cover up on time travel technology
