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sailingsoul
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Posted - 06/13/2012 : 02:59:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by podcat
Get in line behind the 80% who believe they were saved but actually weren't, Doc. ;)
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It's more than 80% who believed but weren't, it's 100%. Also 100% who currently believe they are saved aren't. Fantasy cannot turn into reality no matter how much faith one has that it's true. Delusions about any God are no different. |
There are only two types of religious people, the deceivers and the deceived. SS |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/13/2012 : 06:43:52 [Permalink]
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Don't forget we are assuming the existence of God for the sake of argument.
After all, Jesus didn't die from crucifixion, his throat was slashed by a razor-sharp object. Police says the murder weapon belongs to someone named Occam.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2012 : 10:01:35 [Permalink]
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| Not that I've posted enough here, but I guess I'll move the Hazina letters to another thread. Sheesh! |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2012 : 19:30:28 [Permalink]
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| Sorry, Kil. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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podcat
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/13/2012 : 21:03:23 [Permalink]
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Well, let us assume for the sake of argument that what Convinced said was true and 20% of people who believe they are Christians are saved. That leaves 80% who probably are not saved. Of course, ss, YMMV.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2012 : 21:43:43 [Permalink]
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Kil, it was nice of you to hint to her that she might qualify for a modelling job.
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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sweetie
Spammer
Saudi Arabia
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Posted - 10/17/2012 : 04:36:48 [Permalink]
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Hello
I am Miss Sandra.am looking for a good and lasting friend outside my country.life is naked without one,i will like to know you more,mail me back direct to my ID. (xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) .And i will reply back to you later for us to share photos and lots more.
[Email addy redacted - Dave W.]
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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 Posted - 10/17/2012 : 07:16:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sweetie
Hello
I am Miss Sandra.am looking for a good and lasting friend outside my country.life is naked without one,i will like to know you more,mail me back direct to my ID. (xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) .And i will reply back to you later for us to share photos and lots more.
[Email addy redacted - Dave W.]
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Gee, one of the two spam e-mails I got said this was a dating site.
<snerk>
One claimed to be from Senegal. |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2012 : 17:27:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sweetie
Hello
I am Miss Sandra.am looking for a good and lasting friend outside my country.life is naked without one,i will like to know you more,mail me back direct to my ID. (xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) .And i will reply back to you later for us to share photos and lots more.
[Email addy redacted - Dave W.]
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Wow! sweetie posted in this thread? Amazing! |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular
USA
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 Posted - 10/17/2012 : 17:42:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Don't forget we are assuming the existence of God for the sake of argument.
After all, Jesus didn't die from crucifixion, his throat was slashed by a razor-sharp object. Police says the murder weapon belongs to someone named Occam.
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular
USA
854 Posts |
Posted - 10/17/2012 : 18:05:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Convinced
Christians forgive because we have been forgiven for more than has been transgressed against us by others. We see people as better than ourselves and realize it is hypocritical to have been forgiven by god and not to forgive others. The Bible says to forgive others no matter if they forgive you or no matter their reaction. This rarely happens with non believers. |
I don't see how this can add up. Everyone should see other people as better than themselves. If there's an objective way to order the level of goodness or badness of a person (which is presupposed in order for one's conception of others as better to be meaningful), then it's impossible for these evaluations to be accurate.
I guess if you reframed it by making all transgressions against other humans a subset of transgressions against God (which I guess is done), one could argue that everyone is better to you than you are to God, and therefore God's forgiveness of you implies you should forgive persons who have wronged you in order to be better yourself (defined as being "more godlike").
The equivalence of God and good is silly I think, but I guess if one accepts it, the latter argument holds. |
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