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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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 Posted - 08/24/2012 : 10:41:03
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I don't see a problem with this. I expect some whack jobs will be complaining about "unbelievers" on a "Christian" campground.
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Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/24/2012 : 11:42:26 [Permalink]
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I do, my thoughts are covered in the Mr. Paul Aints thread... Most of it is fine, replacing "holy" words with "FSM" etc. is just dumb and it only teaches them to be insensitive.
Edit: I have no issue with covering things up for a bit, replacing the words with antithetical words and phrases is just insulting and unproductive. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
USA
302 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 12:13:31 [Permalink]
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| Meh. I wanted my kids to be rational thinkers, appropriately skeptical of theisms, pseudoscience, and other flavors of "woo." Actually, I just wanted them to have the liberty and maturity to make their own decisions, while still being capable of empathy for those who choose differently. So, I sent them all to conservative Catholic schools. I didn't have to tell them that I disagreed with it, I just made sure they knew it was OK if they did. It seems to have worked out fine. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/24/2012 : 12:44:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hal
Meh. I wanted my kids to be rational thinkers, appropriately skeptical of theisms, pseudoscience, and other flavors of "woo." Actually, I just wanted them to have the liberty and maturity to make their own decisions, while still being capable of empathy for those who choose differently. So, I sent them all to conservative Catholic schools. I didn't have to tell them that I disagreed with it, I just made sure they knew it was OK if they did. It seems to have worked out fine.
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That strikes me as throwing a kid into a pool and saying "learn how to swim." That usually works out fine too. Usually.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
USA
302 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 12:59:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Hal
Meh. I wanted my kids to be rational thinkers, appropriately skeptical of theisms, pseudoscience, and other flavors of "woo." Actually, I just wanted them to have the liberty and maturity to make their own decisions, while still being capable of empathy for those who choose differently. So, I sent them all to conservative Catholic schools. I didn't have to tell them that I disagreed with it, I just made sure they knew it was OK if they did. It seems to have worked out fine.
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That strikes me as throwing a kid into a pool and saying "learn how to swim." That usually works out fine too. Usually.
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You could say that, culturally, they were already in the middle of the friggin' ocean just because of where they were born. I've been challenged with that metaphor in the past. I really don't see how it applies. If you drown in a pool, you never have an opportunity to reevaluate your approach. It never distressed me when, as children, they expressed beliefs at odds with my own. I always just tried to respect their autonomy of thought, and give them the confidence to think for themselves - and change their minds - without worrying too much about my approval.
That's not going to work, or make sense, for many people, but maybe it was just a reaction against my own upbringing, which was decidedly more restrictive.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2012 : 15:06:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hal
You could say that, culturally, they were already in the middle of the friggin' ocean just because of where they were born. I've been challenged with that metaphor in the past. I really don't see how it applies. If you drown in a pool, you never have an opportunity to reevaluate your approach. It never distressed me when, as children, they expressed beliefs at odds with my own. I always just tried to respect their autonomy of thought, and give them the confidence to think for themselves - and change their minds - without worrying too much about my approval.
That's not going to work, or make sense, for many people, but maybe it was just a reaction against my own upbringing, which was decidedly more restrictive. |
I can respect that. And I realize it wasn't a perfect metaphor and may have sounded unnecessarily harsh.
Christians indoctrinate, and I've seen many atheists and skeptics vow to not to do the same with their own children. Their children's autonomy is important to them, especially if their own was denied when they were young. But I think there's a middle path. Instruction doesn't have to be indoctrination and guidance doesn't have to be coercion. Sometimes I think the "they'll figure it out on their own" approach often amounts to leaving children's religious education to others, which can be problematic to say the least. I think children should be raised to think skeptically and be given the tools to understand why religious beliefs are irrational. If they still find themselves gravitating to religion, then so be it. But I dislike the idea of sending them into the fray unarmed.
Just my opinion.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
| Edited by - H. Humbert on 08/24/2012 15:41:10 |
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Atheist summer camp
