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Machi4velli
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 Posted - 01/02/2013 : 14:48:27
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255814/Hospital-fires-EIGHT-veteran-nurses-refused-flu-shot-religious-reasons.html
Flu shots seem like a sort of perfect storm for misunderstanding by the uncritical thinker:
1. They don't guarantee of not getting the flu if you get the shot
2. They have no effect on non-flu illnesses
Whether it's the rarer case of flu that slipped through or people mistake other illnesses for the flu, the result is the same: both allows people to say "I got the shot and still got sick!"
3. Infection isn't guaranteed without the shot
This allows "I didn't even get a flu shot and still didn't get the flu!"
4. Anecdotal thinking is pretty extreme on this topic
The anecdote counter to the "expected" result of protection gets way more weight than it should.
5. Wakefield's bad study
6. Legitimate studies challenging the efficacy of flu vaccines (very rarely do they actually say they don't work, just that they don't work as well as they are claimed to work)
"Even the scientists don't agree!"
7. It contains "toxins"
8. Religious objections
I suspect the argument that it's a "toxin" or contains some harmful substances is the source of religion-justified confirmation bias more than there exist legitimate religious objections (whatever this means). Take these nurses for example, they obviously think some medicines are okay and effective and morally okay, yet for "religious reasons" isolate vaccines (or maybe just the flu vaccine) as the thing they oppose.
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Edited by - Machi4velli on 01/02/2013 14:48:44
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 01/02/2013 : 16:33:33 [Permalink]
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Likey likey. Shared on Facebook too.
The morons are jeopardising the health of the people they care for by refusing the flu-shot. One of them worked in oncology. That woman, if any, should understand the reasons for having the shot. She needs a new career.
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The Rat
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Posted - 01/02/2013 : 19:30:02 [Permalink]
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It's a job requirement as far as I know, so you do your job. Other choices are to quit or get fired. They took option #2. You can have all the religious beliefs you want, but when you get to work they stay outside until you leave.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 01/03/2013 : 06:55:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by The Rat
It's a job requirement as far as I know, so you do your job. Other choices are to quit or get fired. They took option #2. You can have all the religious beliefs you want, but when you get to work they stay outside until you leave.
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It is. And a requirement that will cost you your job. The flu shot was required for all personell having direct contact with patients since at least 1997. Only valid reason for refusal was an allergy to eggs. (medical, not spiritual mumbo-jumbo)
It's like a welder refusing to wear a welder's mask due to religious reasons. No one hires that guy, either.
Only the welder doesn't have the capability of carrying diseases to immunocompramised patients and kill them with it. |
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 01/03/2013 : 13:48:29 [Permalink]
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Didn't the article say this hospital just imposed the rule this year?
I don't know what else you can do but fire them, you can't put vulnerable hospital patients at greater risk of harm. I am interested in how courts decide what criteria a practice must meet to trump religious objections though. |
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-Giordano Bruno
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Indiana Hospital Fires Nurses Refusing Flu Shots
