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Rumtopf
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 Posted - 01/17/2014 : 19:26:28 [Permalink]
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That's seven times now that Dave W has refused to answer these:
Five Very Simple Investigatory Questions About Caroline Sturdy Colls Suspiciously Vague Archaeological “Investigation” at Treblinka II
(Legitimate scientists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries.)
# 1 - Is it known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at - Treblinka II - there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been - physically unearthed / tangibly located - by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? - Yes. - or - No. __?__
# 2 - At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.
# 3 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans - during their time of occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
# 4 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
# 5 - Is it true or false that, extraneous cremation remains have been deposited at - Treblinka II - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
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What are you waiting for Dave?
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 19:38:02 [Permalink]
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Dave W, do you deny that:
It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 19:48:38 [Permalink]
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Uncovered Mass Graves Site
In January 2012, British forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls uncovered mass graves in the Treblinka camp that were previously hidden underground. Using special, ground-penetrating radar equipment and other advanced technology so as not to cause complications with Jewish law which forbids disturbing burial sites, Colls and her team managed to uncover graves at the camp where it is widely held that the Nazi's murdered more than 850,000 people, the vast majority Jews.
Since the liberation of the Treblinka area by the Allies, Holocaust deniers have harped on the fact that no evidence of the exterminations supposedly carried out at the camp have been found. This new evidence now will help formally disprove those who still believe that the Treblinka camp was nothing more than a transit camp that moved Jews from Poland to the other various concentration camps across Europe.
The research and findings from this study were presented as part of the documentary, 'The Hidden Graves of the Holocaust.'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7801&p=58749&hilit=Caroline+sturdy+colls+treblinka#p58749
I ask you again Dave, do you deny that:
It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
Yes. - or - No. __?__
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What are you waiting for Dave?
What are you so afraid of?
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 20:03:56 [Permalink]
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Any doubts about the existence of mass graves at the Treblinka death camp in Poland are being laid to rest by the first survey of the site using tools that see below the ground, writes forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls.
When the Nazis left Treblinka in 1943 they thought they had destroyed it. They had knocked down the buildings and levelled the earth. They had built a farmhouse and installed a Ukrainian "farmer". They had planted trees, and - contemporary reports suggest - lupins.
But if they thought they had removed all evidence of their crime, they hadn't. For a forensic archaeologist, there is a vast amount to study.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16657363
I ask you again Dave, do you deny that:
It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
Yes. - or - No. __?__
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What are you so afraid of? |
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 20:11:23 [Permalink]
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A British forensic archaeologist has unearthed fresh evidence to prove the existence of mass graves at the Nazi death camp Treblinka... “All the history books state that Treblinka was destroyed by the Nazis but the survey has demonstrated that simply isn’t the case,” Sturdy Colls was quoted by The Daily Mail as having told a British radio program which dealt with her findings. “I’ve identified a number of buried pits using geophysical techniques. These are considerable in size, and very deep, one in particular is 26 by 17 meters.” ... Charles added that the pits that were found contain the burnt remains of thousands of bodies.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151891
I ask you again Dave, do you deny that:
It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
Yes. - or - No. __?__
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What are you waiting for Dave?
What are you so afraid of?
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 20:20:32 [Permalink]
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Mass graves found at Treblinka... British archaeologist destroys Holocaust deniers’ argument with mass grave find at Treblinka... Holocaust deniers had previously used the lack of graves to support their theories... The programme’s presenter says that the pits contain the burnt remains of thousands of bodies... They claim the site was merely a transit camp – a myth now debunked by the latest discoveries of mass graves.
http://cnpublications.net/2012/01/18/mass-graves-found-at-treblinka/
Mass graves found? Contain the burnt remains of thousands of bodies? Really?
I'm skeptical.
In fact, I don't believe that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls found a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
Do you Dave W? Yes. - or - No. __?__
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 20:55:59 [Permalink]
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Oh, btw Dave, you said this earlier:
"Colls' work isn't definitive, nor is it the only evidence there is."
About this other evidence that you claim exists:
At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CERTAINTY ACHIEVABLE BY SCIENTISTS AND ACCEPTED BY DAVE W - that, to date, this other evidence that Dave W claims exits, standing alone, proves that no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.
(Maybe Dave W isn't 100% certain that this other evidence he claims exists really does exist? That could explain why he is so afraid to answer any questions about his allegations.) |
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 21:16:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sailingsoul
Dave brings up a very good point that shouldn't be glossed over but I expect it will go unaddressed.
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Why is this so important to you Rumtopf seeing how this happened before you were born and where you most likely had no family blood in this part of history?
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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough but I was asking Rumtopf that question. So Rumtopf can you answer my question? |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 21:55:53 [Permalink]
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What are you waiting for, Rumtopf? Scared to answer one simple question? Hypocrite.Originally posted by Rumtopf
Dave W, do you deny that:
It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
Yes. - or - No. __?__ |
Of course I don't deny that. Sturdy Colls herself wouldn't deny it.Uncovered Mass Graves Site
In January 2012, British forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls uncovered mass graves in the Treblinka camp that were previously hidden underground. Using special, ground-penetrating radar equipment and other advanced technology so as not to cause complications with Jewish law which forbids disturbing burial sites, Colls and her team managed to uncover graves at the camp where it is widely held that the Nazi's murdered more than 850,000 people, the vast majority Jews.
Since the liberation of the Treblinka area by the Allies, Holocaust deniers have harped on the fact that no evidence of the exterminations supposedly carried out at the camp have been found. This new evidence now will help formally disprove those who still believe that the Treblinka camp was nothing more than a transit camp that moved Jews from Poland to the other various concentration camps across Europe.
The research and findings from this study were presented as part of the documentary, 'The Hidden Graves of the Holocaust.' |
A quote from the Jerusalem Post. Do you have any idea how bad the mass media is at reporting scientific findings?Any doubts about the existence of mass graves at the Treblinka death camp in Poland are being laid to rest by the first survey of the site using tools that see below the ground, writes forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls.
When the Nazis left Treblinka in 1943 they thought they had destroyed it. They had knocked down the buildings and levelled the earth. They had built a farmhouse and installed a Ukrainian "farmer". They had planted trees, and - contemporary reports suggest - lupins.
But if they thought they had removed all evidence of their crime, they hadn't. For a forensic archaeologist, there is a vast amount to study. |
A quote from the BBC. Do you have any idea how bad the mass media is at reporting scientific findings?| A British forensic archaeologist has unearthed fresh evidence to prove the existence of mass graves at the Nazi death camp Treblinka... “All the history books state that Treblinka was destroyed by the Nazis but the survey has demonstrated that simply isn’t the case,” Sturdy Colls was quoted by The Daily Mail as having told a British radio program which dealt with her findings. “I’ve identified a number of buried pits using geophysical techniques. These are considerable in size, and very deep, one in particular is 26 by 17 meters.” ... Charles added that the pits that were found contain the burnt remains of thousands of bodies. |
A quote from Israel National News. Do you have any idea how bad the mass media is at reporting scientific findings?| Mass graves found at Treblinka... British archaeologist destroys Holocaust deniers’ argument with mass grave find at Treblinka... Holocaust deniers had previously used the lack of graves to support their theories... The programme’s presenter says that the pits contain the burnt remains of thousands of bodies... They claim the site was merely a transit camp – a myth now debunked by the latest discoveries of mass graves. |
A quote from the Daily Mail. Do you have any idea how bad the mass media is at reporting scientific findings?| At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CERTAINTY ACHIEVABLE BY SCIENTISTS AND ACCEPTED BY DAVE W - that, to date, this other evidence that Dave W claims exits, standing alone, proves that no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains. |
And now we'll add "liar" to your resume, Rumtopf, alongside "coward" and "hypocrite." I never claimed that the evidence that does exist "proves" that any graves exist, nor did I ever say that it reached any particular level of certainty. "Evidence" and "proof" are not synonyms (a shattered window is evidence of a break-in, but not proof of a break-in). This is the same childish game you're playing with mass-media reporting on Colls' work: you're building strawmen to slay.
Why do you refuse to provide proper scientific citations to Strudy Colls' own publication(s) that show that she is claiming to have found 900,000+ currently buried bodies? Too cheap to go to the library and pay for the copy machine? Maybe because the original research was published in Polish? Oh, but look! The abstract is in English!Public impression of the Holocaust is unquestionably centred on knowledge about, and the image of, Auschwitz-Birkenau – the gas chambers, the crematoria, the systematic and industrialized killing of victims. Conversely, knowledge of the former extermination camp at Treblinka, which stands in stark contrast in terms of the visible evidence that survives pertaining to it, is less embedded in general public consciousness. As this paper argues, the contrasting level of knowledge about Auschwitz- Birkenau and Treblinka is centred upon the belief that physical evidence of the camps only survives when it is visible and above-ground. The perception of Treblinka as having been “destroyed” by the Nazis, and the belief that the bodies of all of the victims were cremated without trace, has resulted in a lack of investigation aimed at answering questions about the extent and nature of the camp, and the locations of mass graves and cremation pits. This paper discusses the evidence that demonstrates that traces of the camp do survive. It outlines how archival research and non-invasive archaeological survey has been used to re-evaluate the physical evidence pertaining to Treblinka in a way that respects Jewish Halacha Law. As well as facilitating spatial and temporal analysis of the former extermination camp, this survey has also revealed information about the cultural memory. Bolding mine. You're asking us whether we accept what Sturdy Colls herself would deny. Why would you do that? Why not ask her directly? Chicken? |
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 22:09:18 [Permalink]
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Simple sailingsou - Like it says right here on the subheading of SFN's Pseudoscience sub-forum: Bad science needs to be exposed.
sailingsou, I asked you earlier about the so-called other evidence that you, like Dave W, claim exists:
SS:
"Throwing out completely the Colls' work changes nothing about the evidence"
Now I would like to know more about this other so-called evidence of mass graves that you claim we would have if we were to "Throw out completely the Colls' work."
sailingsou, using this other evidence that you claim exists, combined with the alleged evidence that colls claims exists, please answer the following:
Five Very Simple Investigatory Questions About Caroline Sturdy Colls Suspiciously Vague Archaeological “Investigation” at Treblinka II
(Legitimate scientists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries.)
# 1 - Is it known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at - Treblinka II - there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been - physically unearthed / tangibly located - by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? - Yes. - or - No. __?__
# 2 - At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.
# 3 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans - during their time of occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
# 4 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
# 5 - Is it true or false that, extraneous cremation remains have been deposited at - Treblinka II - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
If you deny this irrefutable fact, then it begs the simple question:
Where is the so-called “proof” and what are the names of the forensic experts who have explicitly endorsed it?
Do you deny the above irrefutable fact sailingsou? Yes. - or - No. __?__
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 22:12:31 [Permalink]
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That's eight times now that Dave W has refused to answer these:
Five Very Simple Investigatory Questions About Caroline Sturdy Colls Suspiciously Vague Archaeological “Investigation” at Treblinka II
(Legitimate scientists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries.)
# 1 - Is it known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at - Treblinka II - there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been - physically unearthed / tangibly located - by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? - Yes. - or - No. __?__
# 2 - At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.
# 3 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans - during their time of occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
# 4 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
# 5 - Is it true or false that, extraneous cremation remains have been deposited at - Treblinka II - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 22:17:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rumtopf
Dave W, do you deny that:
It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
Yes. - or - No. __?__
Dave W:
Of course I don't deny that. Sturdy Colls herself wouldn't deny it.
Are you 100% certain of that Dave? Or is that just another one of your unsubstantiated allegations? |
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 22:20:34 [Permalink]
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Dave W:
"Colls' work isn't definitive, nor is it the only evidence there is."
Really? Tell us more about the so-called evidence of mass graves. Using this other evidence that you claim exists, combined with the alleged evidence that colls claims exists, please answer the:
Five Very Simple Investigatory Questions About Caroline Sturdy Colls Suspiciously Vague Archaeological “Investigation” at Treblinka II
that you have dodged eight times now.
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What are you waiting for Dave?
What are you so afraid of?
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Rumtopf
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 22:26:55 [Permalink]
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Dave W:
You're asking us whether we accept what Sturdy Colls herself would deny.
Are you 100% certain of that Dave? Have you asked her?
Dave W:
"liar" "coward" "hypocrite" "chicken"
Looks like the stress of repeatedly dodging 5 simple questions is getting to Dave. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/17/2014 : 22:32:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rumtopf
In fact, I don't believe that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls found a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies. |
Missed this before.
Rumtopf, 1/1,000 of 1% of 900,000 bodies is nine bodies. Since the "orthodox historian" narrative of Treblinka II is that the Nazis dug up all the bodies and burned them, a headline claiming that someone found even a single intact corpse would be astounding news.
That's why your questions are irrefutably based on lies. Nobody - not a single scientist - would ever claim to have evidence of nine corpses, much less 900K. And since in one of the sources you yourself presented, Sturdy Colls is quoted as saying that the detection methods she used cannot distinguish corpses from dirt, why in the world would she claim to have found even a single "buried body?" That's why you can't possible name two "orthodox historians" who "allege that the remains of approximately 900,000 people are currently buried in 11 extant 'graves' at the very small, precisely known location of - Treblinka II." There isn't even one "orthodox historian" who makes such a claim.
Mass-media hyperbole doesn't count.
Wait, wait, wait. Maybe I need to put it in the infantile terms you'll perhaps understand, Rumtopf:
#1: It is known WITH 100% CERTAINTY that Caroline Sturdy Colls never claimed to have physically unearthed / tangibly located even a single intact "buried body" - Yes or no? __?__
#2: It is an irrefutable fact that Caroline Sturdy Colls told a BBC interviewer that the remote-sensing methods she used during her study could not distinguish buried bodies from normal earth - Yes or No? __?__
#3: It is an irrefutable fact that the "orthodox" narrative about Treblinka II is that the Nazis tried to cover up their crimes by digging up all the bodies in 1943 and cremating them, so that there should be no "buried bodies" to be discovered sixty-something years later - Yes or No? __?__
#4: Therefore, with simple logic, it can be irrefutably deduced that the discovery of even a single corpse in a grave would violate the narrative that the "orthodox historians" have put forth - Yes or No? __?__
#5: Therefore, the basic question that Rumtopf is irrefutably asking is whether or not someone (Caroline Sturdy Colls) who obviously considers herself an "orthodox" forensic scientist would willingly announce evidence that would refute the "orthodox" historical narrative - Yes or No? __?__
#6: And further, Rumtopf is irrefutably asking us to believe that news devastating to the "orthodox" Holocaust narrative would be favorably reported by "orthodox" Israeli mass-media news sources - Yes or No? __?__ |
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Archaeological Fraud At Treblinka
