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Posted - 04/28/2016 : 09:35:21 [Permalink]
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Pehu:
Since science disproves evolution, the only alternative is creation. |
Aside from the fact that the evidence for evolution has only gained strength in the last 150 years by way of real science and not the pseudoscience of creationists that puts the cart (The Bible) before the horse and rejects everything that doesn't support the genesis account of creation, you have also presented a false dichotomy. Even if evolution were to be abandoned for a better theory, (not likely) creationism would still not be the default position. The better theory would be.
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Originally posted by Pahu
How does the 30 years of research on the subject change the facts? |
The only fact presented was this:30 years ago, we didn't have a good idea of how sexual reproduction evolved. You don't think our understanding of the evolution of sexual reproduction has changed at all?| Isn't truth true regardless of age? |
Aren't people capable of learning new facts over time?
You also wrote:| Since science disproves evolution, the only alternative is creation. |
Says who?Also, consider this:
Before the universe existed there was nothing from which it appeared... |
Says who? No scientist says such a thing.| ...which is impossible by any natural cause. Therefor the cause of the universe was supernatural, proving the existence of God. |
Which God?| Unless and until evolutionists/atheists can conduct a repeatable experiment, verified by qualified scientists demonstrating that statement is untrue... |
No, it is up to the people making the claim to prove it. So, Pahu, where is there any evidence that the universe poofed into existence from "nothing?"| The fact that the appearance of the universe from nothing has not been shown to be possible by any natural cause by real scientists shows that the evolutionists/atheists view is pie in the sky. |
The fact is that no cosmologist claims that the universe appeared "from nothing."
By the way, the Stephen Hawking quote about the universe being created from nothing refers to a very different nothing than all your links do. For example, the term "created from" implies a causal relationship over time, but Hawking insists that time didn't exist until the Big Bang, so any talk about what might have happened "before" the Big Bang is simply nonsensical. |
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Posted - 04/28/2016 : 20:31:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Pahu
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Pahu
You are in evidence free denial of the facts... |
The fact that Walt Brown doesn't understand the word "extinct" says that I'm not the one in denial, here.| ...which are true no matter how old they are. |
Actually, Walt Brown was asserting that because scientists didn't completely understand how sexual reproduction evolved in the 1980's, then sexual reproduction couldn't have evolved. That isn't itself a fact (scientific or otherwise), but just an argument from ignorance.
The fact that there's been another 30 years of research on the subject means that those ancient footnotes no longer represent the fore-front of knowledge.
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How does the 30 years of research on the subject change the facts? Isn't truth true regardless of age? |
Let me try another way...
Walt Brown's argument was this:P1) Experts in the '80's didn't know how sex evolved.
P2) If experts don't understand it, God must have done it.
C) Therefore, God created sex. A thousand years ago, it might have looked like this:P1) Experts don't know how lightning happens.
P2) If experts don't understand it, God must have done it.
C) Therefore, God makes lightning. In the latter example, hindsight makes it completely obvious that the argument is invalid, because further research into lightning has given us quite detailed knowledge of the processes that create it.
As we learn, our understanding changes about what the truth is. Using 30-year-old statements when trying to debunk modern evolutionary theory is likewise illogical. The idea that our understanding of reality is identical to reality is ludicrous, at best. The map is not the terrain. |
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Posted - 04/29/2016 : 20:22:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Pahu
Originally posted by The Rat
Ho hum. Another example of the 'false dichotomy' fallacy: if I can disprove evolution, therefore creation must be true. It's really the only argument you people have. And it's wrong, it's always been wrong, and it always will be wrong.
Let's cut to the chase: prove creation. |
Since science disproves evolution, the only alternative is creation.
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Exactly what I said; it's the only tactic you have.
You cretinists are soooo predictable. And wrong. Again.
Now, prove creation. I could give you a hint as to how to make it slightly, but only very slightly, easier. But I'll leave it with you for now.
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Meteoritic Dust
Meteoritic dust is accumulating on Earth so fast that, after 4 billion years (at today’s low and diminishing rate), the equivalent of more than 16 feet of this dust should have accumulated. Because this dust is high in nickel, Earth’s crust should have abundant nickel. No such concentration has been found on land or in the oceans. Therefore, Earth appears to be young.
[[url=http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/AstroPhysicalSciences44.html#wp1260699] From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown[/url]] |
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Posted - 05/04/2016 : 13:21:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Pehu:
Since science disproves evolution, the only alternative is creation. |
Aside from the fact that the evidence for evolution has only gained strength in the last 150 years by way of real science and not the pseudoscience of creationists that puts the cart (The Bible) before the horse and rejects everything that doesn't support the genesis account of creation, you have also presented a false dichotomy. Even if evolution were to be abandoned for a better theory, (not likely) creationism would still not be the default position. The better theory would be.
Must go to work now.
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SCIENTISTS SPEAK ABOUT EVOLUTION
Top-flight scientists have something to tell you about evolution. Such statements will never be found in the popular magazines, alongside gorgeous paintings of ape-man and Big Bangs and solemn pronouncements about millions of years for this rock and that fish. Instead they are generally reserved only for professional books and journals.
Most scientists are working in very narrow fields; they do not see the overall picture, and assume, even though their field does not prove evolution, that perhaps other areas of science probably vindicate it. They are well-meaning men. The biologists and geneticists know their facts, and research does not prove evolution, but assume that geology does. The geologists know their field does not prove evolution, but hope that the biologists and geneticists have proven it. Those who do know the facts, fear to disclose them to the general public, lest they be fired. But they do write articles in their own professional journals and books, condemning evolutionary theory.
Included below are a number of admissions by leading evolutionists of earlier decades, such as *Charles Darwin, *Austin Clark, or *Fred Hoyle. The truth is that evolutionists cannot make scientific facts fit the theory.
An asterisk ( * ) by a name indicates that person is not known to be a creationist. Of over 4,000 quotations in the set of books this Encyclopedia is based on, only 164 statements are by creationists.
"The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but purely the product of imagination."—*Dr. Fleischman [Erlangen zoologist].
"It is almost invariably assumed that animals with bodies composed of a single cell represent the primitive animals from which all others derived. They are commonly supposed to have preceded all other animal types in their appearance. There is not the slightest basis for this assumption."—*Austin Clark, The New Evolution (1930), pp. 235-236.
"The hypothesis that life has developed from inorganic matter is, at present, still an article of faith."—*J.W.N. Sullivan, The Limitations of Science (1933), p. 95.
"Where are we when presented with the mystery of life? We find ourselves facing a granite wall which we have not even chipped . . We know virtually nothing of growth, nothing of life."—*W. Kaempffert, "The Greatest Mystery of All: The Secret of Life," New York Times.
" `The theory of evolution is totally inadequate to explain the origin and manifestation of the inorganic world.' "—Sir John Ambrose Fleming, F.R.S., quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 91 [discoverer of the thermionic valve].
"I think, however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it."—*H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138.
"I am not satisfied that Darwin proved his point or that his influence in scientific and public thinking has been beneficial . . the success of Darwinism was accomplished by a decline in scientific integrity."—*W.R. Thompson, Introduction to *Charles Darwin's, Origin of the Species [Canadian scientist].
"One of the determining forces of scientism was a fantastic accidental imagination which could explain every irregularity in the solar system without explanation, leap the gaps in the atomic series without evidence [a gap required by the Big Bang theory], postulate the discovery of fossils which have never been discovered, and prophesy the success of breeding experiments which have never succeeded. Of this kind of science it might truly be said that it was `knowledge falsely so called.' "—*David C.C. Watson, The Great Brain Robbery (1976).
"The hold of the evolutionary paradigm [theoretical system] is so powerful that an idea which is more like a principle of medieval astrology than a serious twentieth century scientific theory has become a reality for evolutionary biologists."—*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 306 [Australian molecular biologist].
"The particular truth is simply that we have no reliable evidence as to the evolutionary sequence . . One can find qualified professional arguments for any group being the descendant of almost any other."—J. Bonner, "Book Review," American Scientist, 49:1961, p. 240.
"It was because Darwinian theory broke man's link with God and set him adrift in a cosmos without purpose or end that its impact was so fundamental. No other intellectual revolution in modern times . . so profoundly affected the way men viewed themselves and their place in the universe."—*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 67 [Australian molecular biologist].
"I had motives for not wanting the world to have meaning, consequently assumed it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption . . The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics; he is also concerned to prove there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do . . For myself, as no doubt for most of my contemporaries, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation. The liberation we desired was simultaneously liberation from a certain political and economic system and liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom."—*Aldous Huxley, "Confessions of a Professed Atheist," Report: Perspective on the News, Vol. 3, June 1966, p. 19 [grandson of evolutionist Thomas Huxley, Darwin's closest friend and promoter, and brother of evolutionist Julian Huxley. Aldous Huxley was one of the most influential liberal writers of the 20th century].
"Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless."—*Bounoure, Le Monde Et La Vie (October 1963) [Director of Research at the National center of Scientific Research in France].
"As by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed. Why do we not find them embedded in the crust of the earth? Why is not all nature in confusion [of halfway species] instead of being, as we see them, well-defined species?"—*Charles Darwin, quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 139.
" `Creation,' in the ordinary sense of the word, is perfectly conceivable. I find no difficulty in conceiving that, at some former period, this universe was not in existence; and that it made its appearance in six days . . in consequence of the volition of some pre-existing Being."—*Thomas Huxley, quoted in *Leonard Huxley, Life and Letters of Thomas Henry Huxley, Vol. II (1903), p. 429.
"The theory of evolution suffers from grave defects, which are more and more apparent as time advances. It can no longer square with practical scientific knowledge."—*Albert Fleishmann, Zoologist.
"I argue that the `theory of evolution' does not take predictions, so far as ecology is concerned, but is instead a logical formula which can be used only to classify empiricisms [theories] and to show the relationships which such a classification implies . . these theories are actually tautologies and, as such, cannot make empirically testable predictions. They are not scientific theories at all."—*R.H. Peters, "Tautology in Evolution and Ecology," American Naturalist (1976), Vol. 110, No. 1, p. 1 [emphasis his].
"Scientists have no proof that life was not the result of an act of creation."—*Robert Jastrow, The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe (1981), p. 19.
"In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to `bend' their observations to fit in with it."—*H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138.
"When Darwin presented a paper [with Alfred Wallace] to the Linnean Society in 1858, a Professor Haugton of Dublin remarked, `All that was new was false, and what was true was old.' This, we think, will be the final verdict on the matter, the epitaph on Darwinism."—*Fred Hoyle and N. Chandra Wickramasinghe, Evolution from Space (1981), p. 159.
"Creation and evolution, between them, exhaust the possible explanations for the origin of living things. Organisms either appeared on the earth fully developed or they did not. If they did not, they must have developed from pre-existing species by some process of modification. If they did appear in a fully developed state, they must have been created by some omnipotent intelligence."—*D.J. Futuyma, Science on Trial (1983), p. 197.
"With the failure of these many efforts, science was left in the somewhat embarrassing position of having to postulate theories of living origins which it could not demonstrate. After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past."—*Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey, (1957), p. 199.
"The over-riding supremacy of the myth has created a widespread illusion that the theory of evolution was all but proved one hundred years ago and that all subsequent biological research—paleontological, zoological, and in the newer branches of genetics and molecular biology—has provided ever-increasing evidence for Darwinian ideas."—*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 327.
"The irony is devastating. The main purpose of Darwinism was to drive every last trace of an incredible God from biology. But the theory replaces God with an even more incredible deity—omnipotent chance."—*T. Rosazak, Unfinished Animal (1975), pp. 101-102.
"Today our duty is to destroy the myth of evolution, considered as a simple, understood and explained phenomenon which keeps rapidly unfolding before us. Biologists must be encouraged to think about the weaknesses and extrapolations that the theoreticians put forward or lay down as established truths. The deceit is sometimes unconscious, but not always, since some people, owing to their sectarianism, purposely overlook reality and refuse to acknowledge the inadequacies and falsity of their beliefs."—*Pierre-Paul de Grasse, Evolution of Living Organisms (1977), p. 8.
"The evolution theory can by no means be regarded as an innocuous natural philosophy, but that it is a serious obstruction to biological research. It obstructs—as has been repeatedly shown—the attainment of consistent results, even from uniform experimental material. For everything must ultimately be forced to fit this theory. An exact biology cannot, therefore, be built up."—*H. Neilsson, Synthetische Artbuilding, 1954, p. 11.
"It is therefore of immediate concern to both biologists and layman that Darwinism is under attack. The theory of life that undermined nineteenth-century religion has virtually become a religion itself and, in its turn, is being threatened by fresh ideas. The attacks are certainly not limited to those of the creationists and religious fundamentalists who deny Darwinism for political and moral reason. The main thrust of the criticism comes from within science itself. The doubts about Darwinism represent a political revolt from within rather than a siege from without."—*B. Leith, The Descent of Darwin: A Handbook of Doubts about Darwinism (1982), p. 11.
"My attempts to demonstrate evolution by an experiment carried on for more than 40 years have completely failed. At least I should hardly be accused of having started from any preconceived anti-evolutionary standpoint."—*H. Nilsson, Synthetic Speciation (1953), p. 31.
"Just as pre-Darwinian biology was carried out by people whose faith was in the Creator and His plan, post-Darwinian biology is being carried out by people whose faith is in, almost, the deity of Darwin. They've seen their task as to elaborate his theory and to fill the gaps in it, to fill the trunk and twigs of the tree. But it seems to me that the theoretical framework has very little impact on the actual progress of the work in biological research. In a way some aspects of Darwinism and of neo-Darwinism seem to me to have held back the progress of science."—Colin Patterson, The Listener [senior paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, London].
"Throughout the past century there has always existed a significant minority of first-rate biologists who have never been able to bring themselves to accept the validity of Darwinian claims. In fact, the number of biologists who have expressed some degree of disillusionment is practically endless."—*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1986), p. 327.
"I personally hold the evolutionary position, but yet lament the fact that the majority of our Ph.D. graduates are frightfully ignorant of many of the serious problems of the evolution theory. These problems will not be solved unless we bring them to the attention of students. Most students assume evolution is proved, the missing link is found, and all we have left is a few rough edges to smooth out. Actually, quite the contrary is true; and many recent discoveries . . have forced us to re-evaluate our basic assumptions."—*Director of a large graduate program in biology, quoted in Creation: The Cutting Edge (1982), p. 26.
"The creation account in Genesis and the theory of evolution could not be reconciled. One must be right and the other wrong. The story of the fossils agreed with the account of Genesis. In the oldest rocks we did not find a series of fossils covering the gradual changes from the most primitive creatures to developed forms, but rather in the oldest rocks developed species suddenly appeared. Between every species there was a complete absence of intermediate fossils."—*D.B. Gower, "Scientist Rejects Evolution," Kentish Times, England, December 11, 1975, p. 4 [biochemist].
"From the almost total absence of fossil evidence relative to the origin of the phyla, it follows that any explanation of the mechanism in the creative evolution of the fundamental structural plans is heavily burdened with hypothesis. This should appear as an epigraph to every book on evolution. The lack of direct evidence leads to the formulation of pure conjecture as to the genesis of the phyla; we do not even have a basis to determine the extent to which these opinions are correct."—*Pierre-Paul de Grasse, Evolution of Living Organisms (1977), p. 31.
"We still do not know the mechanics of evolution in spite of the over-confident claims in some quarters, nor are we likely to make further progress in this by the classical methods of paleontology or biology; and we shall certainly not advance matters by jumping up and down shrilling, `Darwin is god and I, So-and-so, am his prophet.' "—*Errol White, Proceedings of the Linnean Society, London, 177:8 (1966).
"I feel that the effect of hypotheses of common ancestry in systematics has not been merely boring, not just a lack of knowledge; I think it has been positively anti-knowledge . . Well, what about evolution? It certainly has the function of knowledge, but does it convey any? Well, we are back to the question I have been putting to people, `Is there one thing you can tell me about?' The absence of answers seems to suggest that it is true, evolution does not convey any knowledge."—*Colin Patterson, Director AMNH, Address at the American Museum of Natural History (November 5, 1981).
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Posted - 05/04/2016 : 19:40:37 [Permalink]
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Pahu refuses to acknowledge counter-evidence presented to him, while hypocritically demanding evidence-based arguments.
Pahu refuses to acknowledge that Walt Brown's arguments fail, even using Walt Brown's own logic and evidence.
And then the capstone: an ignorant dump of allegedly anti-evolution quotes for which Pahu has no understanding whatsoever. I mean, look at this:" `The theory of evolution is totally inadequate to explain the origin and manifestation of the inorganic world.' "—Sir John Ambrose Fleming, F.R.S., quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 91 [discoverer of the thermionic valve]. No duh! The theory of evolution applies to "the origin and manifestation of the inorganic world" about as well as the theory of gravity explains my monthly electrical bill. Evolutionary biology does not (and has never) even tried to explain inorganic anything.
Hey, maybe because the Bible fails to explain the modern computer, that means God doesn't exist! Same logic, right?
Pahu clearly doesn't understand this at all. It's all waaaaaaay over Pahu's head. Which is why Pahu refuses to engage, and resorts to preaching. It's a lot easier to parrot other people and pretend to be educated, instead of actually getting educated."The hold of the evolutionary paradigm [theoretical system] is so powerful that an idea which is more like a principle of medieval astrology than a serious twentieth century scientific theory has become a reality for evolutionary biologists."—*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 306 [Australian molecular biologist]. No, Denton is a biochemist, not a biologist. See how other Christians lie to you, Pahu?"It was because Darwinian theory broke man's link with God and set him adrift in a cosmos without purpose or end that its impact was so fundamental. No other intellectual revolution in modern times . . so profoundly affected the way men viewed themselves and their place in the universe."—*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 67 [Australian molecular biologist]. Still not a biologist."As by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed. Why do we not find them embedded in the crust of the earth? Why is not all nature in confusion [of halfway species] instead of being, as we see them, well-defined species?"—*Charles Darwin, quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 139. Yeah, and Darwin answered that question in Origin, too.
That's the ultimate in quote-mine lying, Pahu: Darwin didn't ask the question because he doubted his own theory. He asked the question because he knew that other people would ask it, and he had an answer for them.
But any lie is okay so long as it's a lie for Jesus. Right, Pahu? |
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Pahu, really: why do you insist that we present evidence to you, but you don't demand the same standard of Walt Brown?Originally posted by Pahu
Meteoritic dust is accumulating on Earth so fast that, after 4 billion years (at today’s low and diminishing rate), the equivalent of more than 16 feet of this dust should have accumulated. |
Evidence-free assertion.| Because this dust is high in nickel, Earth’s crust should have abundant nickel. |
Evidence-free assertion.Walt Brown is a known liar. Why should we care what he says? |
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Posted - 05/04/2016 : 20:19:46 [Permalink]
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| I don't know if he ever plans on proving creation, but he's certainly disproving intelligent design. Why would an intelligent designer design such idiots? |
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| You don't appear to understand how random processes work Pahu. You can't assume all events are independent and calculate probabilities in that way. |
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You know, Kil... I seriously doubt Pahu would read those link you posted. They challenge his world view, and creationists like him aren't usually brave enough to confront their own biases. |
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
You know, Kil... I seriously doubt Pahu would read those link you posted. They challenge his world view, and creationists like him aren't usually brave enough to confront their own biases.
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True Mab. But it's really all there is out there to deal with a guy who has already stated that he is unwilling to personally engage. He thinks these other smart guys already destroyed the leading biological theory on the planet, which guides everything from medical breakthroughs to how we will feed the planet to how we will protect bio-diversity and life in general.
Anyhow, we all get stubborn when faced with contradictory facts. We want our facts to be the right facts. But if we are unable to go further than that, and be willing to question those things we believe, we might become a bit like Pahu, perfectly willing to push some sort of dogma, but unwilling to review anything that might threaten that view. Being tied to old and already well debunked attempts to bring down evolution is kinda sad, really.
I wonder if Pahu realizes that there are lots of Christians who accept evolution and the actual age of the earth? I mean, most of them? Creationists are like a modern day version of The Flat Earth Society. |
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Science Disproves Evolution
