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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 09/02/2006 : 16:29:38 [Permalink]
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So, why not put that sticker on all science textbooks on every subject of science? And while we are at it, how about if a similar sticker is placed on the cover of all bibles used in church bible classes? It should ask the readers to keep an open mind when considering the stories in that book…
Also, if the teacher isn't teaching the kids what a theory is, the teacher isn't getting the job of teaching science done... |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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 Posted - 09/02/2006 : 20:24:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GK Paul
Atheists use the theory evolution to support their beliefs.
If you're going to tell people to not be rude or insulting, you should avoid being rude and insulting yourself.quote:
As Coulter points out, atheists need evolution to be true...
Another lie. Shall I drag your scoreboard over here? Did you know that failing to even acknowledge the points of the people you're speaking with is also rude?quote:
...but as we see above, Christianity is not affected whether its true or not.
Then why are so many self-professed Christians claiming that evolution is incorrect? Why do they (or you) care? |
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GK Paul
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/03/2006 : 01:57:34 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by GK Paul
Atheists use the theory evolution to support their beliefs.
If you're going to tell people to not be rude or insulting, you should avoid being rude and insulting yourself.quote:
As Coulter points out, atheists need evolution to be true...
Another lie. Shall I drag your scoreboard over here? Did you know that failing to even acknowledge the points of the people you're speaking with is also rude?quote:
...but as we see above, Christianity is not affected whether its true or not.
Then why are so many self-professed Christians claiming that evolution is incorrect? Why do they (or you) care?
It must be some gut feeling I have or maybe a preference that God just spoke it and Bam! there the universe was. When you think of it that sounds just like the big Bang Theory. So maybe the Big Bang theory proves God. But what my preference is on how God created the world doesn't matter. I'm just thankful to Him that he did, because it is beautiful. If only the sin of man didn't mess it up; for awhile anyway.
Well a lot of Christians take Genesis literally. But like I said
before, I don't, because God doesn't live in time. Maybe God gave us the story of Genesis because it is so interesting. And life was pretty hard and boring back than. The story probably lifted their spirits. And if you think that is foolish, well so be it, because the Bible says God uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.
I don't have all the answers folks, and if you do, more power to you. But I do agree with Paul's verse. That wisdom, miracles, prophesizing, and spiritual gifts without love mean nothing.
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"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton
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GK Paul
Skeptic Friend
USA
306 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2006 : 03:18:50 [Permalink]
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| Well, I've pretty much said all I'm going to say. Are there any publishers out there; maybe this whole forum would make a good philosophy or religious textbook. Or a non-fiction type book; just a thought. GK |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 09/03/2006 : 05:26:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GK Paul
To Beskeptigal, we have a difference of opinion. It wouldn't bother me if I had a child who had a sticker in his Biology textbook to study the theory of evolution with an open mind... Also it wouldn't bother me if the teacher had to take some extra time to teach my child what a theory is.
I don't know how religion is taught in school in the US. In Sweden, we have religion classes where we are taught the foundations of Christianity but also the foundations of other world religions, like Islaam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and others.
I propose a Sticker be placed in the Bible saying "This Religion is only one of many different religions, and there is no evidence outside this scripture that authenticate it as being true." |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 09/03/2006 : 05:34:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GK Paul
Well, I've pretty much said all I'm going to say. Are there any publishers out there; maybe this whole forum would make a good philosophy or religious textbook. Or a non-fiction type book; just a thought. GK
So you're leaving without really answering the valid points and objections Dave made?
I expected more from you than that. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/03/2006 : 10:33:36 [Permalink]
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Maybe God gave us the story of Genesis because it is so interesting. And life was pretty hard and boring back than. The story probably lifted their spirits.
Or, maybe, the story was invented by those ancient people for those same reasons.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/03/2006 : 14:02:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GK Paul
To Beskeptigal, we have a difference of opinion. It wouldn't bother me if I had a child who had a sticker in his Biology textbook to study the theory of evolution with an open mind... Also it wouldn't bother me if the teacher had to take some extra time to teach my child what a theory is.
Also with regard to your earlier question about Genesis. Christianity does require faith, just like Scientology requires faith to believe in Hubbard's description of creation. If you don't believe Hubbard's description of creation requires faith, than give evidence to support it.
Surely you haven't gotten the impression I buy into Scientology? Battlefield Earth is one of my favorite all time sci fi books but beyond that I've never even been able to read all the way through a Scientology book let alone consider it has any credence.
Most of the people pushing for the stickers didn't and still don't understand the judge's ruling just as you don't. Did you even read it or are you going by your first reaction to the stickers?
The point is science does allow discussion of alternative theories in all fields. To put the stickers on the books implies it doesn't. It implies the state finds the consensus of the scientific community has to be presented in a way that incorporates unscientific religious beliefs.
If there was evidence for intelligent design then it would be presented in all science classes. Even though ID itself might not be, the evidence for irreducible complexity which forms the basis for ID has been evaluated by the scientific community. The evidence found in our genes has conclusively excluded irreducible complexity as a valid theory. Behe likes to hang on to his pet theory but the scientific community has moved on.
You don't need the sticker. It is a fake message meant to mislead kind of like the question, "When did you stop beating your wife?"
And the scientific meaning of the word, theory', is, or at least is supposed to be, taught in every basic science class. People just don't remember as time goes by and the common usage becomes that theory implies we aren't yet convinced. As you have read here, in scientific terms, theory is an overlying conclusion about how a body of evidence fits together. It can be overwhelmingly supported by evidence and therefore not in question such as evolution, or it can be just a complex idea with a long way to go like string theory. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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GK Paul
Skeptic Friend
USA
306 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2006 : 23:53:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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Maybe God gave us the story of Genesis because it is so interesting. And life was pretty hard and boring back than. The story probably lifted their spirits.
Or, maybe, the story was invented by those ancient people for those same reasons.
And Darwinism definitely lifted Hitler's spirits. That "survival of the fittest" fit right in with the Nazi Arian superiority myth, and gave him plenty of justification for the gas chambers. |
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Ghost_Skeptic
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 00:02:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GK Paul
And Darwinism definitely lifted Hitler's spirits. That "survival of the fittest" fit right in with the Nazi Arian superiority myth, and gave him plenty of justification for the gas chambers.
Hitler was a Christian - have you ever read any of "Mein Kampf" or any Nazi Propanda - there are constant references to Christianity.
The bible gave people justification for burn Wiccans, Midwives, Homosexuals, Scientists etc. alive.
As for evolution or atheism causing immorality and social decay compare the crime rates of countries that are much less religous than America
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"The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism." - William Osler
"Religion is the natural home of the psychopath" - Pat Condell
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GK Paul
Skeptic Friend
USA
306 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2006 : 02:54:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ghost_Skeptic
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Originally posted by GK Paul
And Darwinism definitely lifted Hitler's spirits. That "survival of the fittest" fit right in with the Nazi Arian superiority myth, and gave him plenty of justification for the gas chambers.
Hitler was a Christian - have you ever read any of "Mein Kampf" or any Nazi Propanda - there are constant references to Christianity.
The bible gave people justification for burn Wiccans, Midwives, Homosexuals, Scientists etc. alive.
As for evolution or atheism causing immorality and social decay compare the crime rates of countries that are much less religous than America
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A recent Yankelovich poll (1998) found that 90 percent of Americans believe in God, compared to just 48 percent of Britons; and 76 percent think hell is a real place, compared to just 16 percent of Germans
If you use that reasoning than the devil was also a Christian because he quoted scripture in Luke 4 verse 10.
Christ had a "New" Testament. To love your enemy. But God will punish sin. Exodus 1 vs. 21 says God was good to midwives, and what bible are you using that had the word "scientist" in it and what scripture.
Maybe America is sinning in some way more than those other coutries. For example a greater love for materialism. Saying your religious and worshiping the dollar are not compatible. |
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"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 03:59:47 [Permalink]
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GK Paul said:
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And Darwinism definitely lifted Hitler's spirits. That "survival of the fittest" fit right in with the Nazi Arian superiority myth, and gave him plenty of justification for the gas chambers.
It requires a deliberate misinterpretation of the concept of natural selection to claim that Hitler used it to justify his philosophy.
A lie, in other words. Isn't there a commandment that instructs you not to bear false witness? Isn't lying considered a sin?
And even if Hitler had used Darwin as justification for his philosophy (he didn't, btw), so what? How would a person misinterpreting Darwin somehow negate the validity of Darwin's theory?
Seriously, you need to go start that thread I keep asking you to start.
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-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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GK Paul
Skeptic Friend
USA
306 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2006 : 05:12:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
GK Paul said:
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And Darwinism definitely lifted Hitler's spirits. That "survival of the fittest" fit right in with the Nazi Arian superiority myth, and gave him plenty of justification for the gas chambers.
It requires a deliberate misinterpretation of the concept of natural selection to claim that Hitler used it to justify his philosophy.
A lie, in other words. Isn't there a commandment that instructs you not to bear false witness? Isn't lying considered a sin?
And even if Hitler had used Darwin as justification for his philosophy (he didn't, btw), so what? How would a person misinterpreting Darwin somehow negate the validity of Darwin's theory?
Seriously, you need to go start that thread I keep asking you to start.
I not going to respond to the post because it implies I'm lying. If you think I'm a liar than don't respond to me anymore. And please don't tell me what I need to do in other forums anymore or I'll put you on ignore. If you want to ask me about Hitler and Darwin put up another post. And if you or anyone else implies or says I'm lying or is rude I'll probably ignore the issues presented in the post.
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"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2006 : 05:17:35 [Permalink]
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Notice GK Paul's pattern, folks?
He gets asked a question that he can't deal with about some lie he's either repeated or has made up himself, so he claims lack of time, a pressing need to make himself scarce, etc. But just when he thinks we'd forgotten about his lack of response, he pops back in with a new whopper.
Jab, dodge, duck, weave, jab.
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