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pleco
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 05:17:36 [Permalink]
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The Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, etc. I guess those events invalidated christianity using your "logic". Oh wait, those events were based on Catholic beliefs, not "real" christianity, right? Okay, what about the abortion bombers? Or slavery? Or our current crusade?
What a joke.
A further joke is your attitude here. You say you won't respond to posts that you consider rude, yet you create posts which some people could consider rude. And you won't respond to posts if you are called a liar, even if what you post is a lie and can be proven to be so. When cornered, you constantly change topics, and never admit anything. Typical.
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GK Paul
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 Posted - 09/06/2006 : 05:34:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Notice GK Paul's pattern, folks?
He gets asked a question that he can't deal with about some lie he's either repeated or has made up himself, so he claims lack of time, a pressing need to make himself scarce, etc. But just when he thinks we'd forgotten about his lack of response, he pops back in with a new whopper.
Jab, dodge, duck, weave, jab.
Your giving me the feeling that my ideas are winning because you and other people are starting personal attacks. You've given up on ideas and are resorting to tactics. That encourages me. |
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GK Paul
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 05:48:00 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
The Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, etc. I guess those events invalidated christianity using your "logic". Oh wait, those events were based on Catholic beliefs, not "real" christianity, right? Okay, what about the abortion bombers? Or slavery? Or our current crusade?
What a joke.
A further joke is your attitude here. You say you won't respond to posts that you consider rude, yet you create posts which some people could consider rude. And you won't respond to posts if you are called a liar, even if what you post is a lie and can be proven to be so. When cornered, you constantly change topics, and never admit anything. Typical.
As I said in the previous post, your personal attacks show me you've given up on ideas. |
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"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton
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GK Paul
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 05:58:55 [Permalink]
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| But I'm not mad at either of you because God created you and loves you and the Bible says to pray for those that revile and persecute you. And I'm not better than you either. You've got the right to believe or not to believe. God gives free will. But there is a price to pay if your far from God by your own choice. Just remember God loves you and wishes no man to perish. I was an atheist one time also. If you wish to continue without being rude or making personal attacks we can continue. |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 06:10:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GK Paul
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Notice GK Paul's pattern, folks?
He gets asked a question that he can't deal with about some lie he's either repeated or has made up himself, so he claims lack of time, a pressing need to make himself scarce, etc. But just when he thinks we'd forgotten about his lack of response, he pops back in with a new whopper.
Jab, dodge, duck, weave, jab.
Your giving me the feeling that my ideas are winning because you and other people are starting personal attacks. You've given up on ideas and are resorting to tactics. That encourages me.
I believe I correctly described your pattern of lies, evasion, followed by new lies. Since this pattern is your way of handling all matters of substance, I cannot see how this kind of "personal attack" could be avoided. You repeat and defend the lies by others, you refuse to do your homework, and you tell your own lies. When cornered on a falsehood, you slink away, but soon return with a fresh lie. Wash, rinse, repeat. With such extreme and transparent lying, one cannot ignore the pattern.
If being repeatedly proven a sneaky liar "encourages" you, who am I to discourage you? You are certainly establishing a foolish example of conservative Christianity here. Thank you!
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pleco
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 06:15:13 [Permalink]
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Oh, so now you are being persecuted? 
I have an idea: why don't you respond to any of the responses that have been given to you on any topic in this thread or the Coulter thread.
Here, I'll restate one for you:
The Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, slavery, etc; I guess those events invalidate christianity using your "logic" - given that you are trying to invalidate "Darwinism" (whatever that is) by saying that Hitler (a christian) used it to justify his actions. |
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pleco
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 06:17:27 [Permalink]
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| JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling. |
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pleco
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 06:21:37 [Permalink]
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Oh and while I was looking around (pertains to the beginning of this thread about Saul/Paul):
ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Emphasis mine. See any problems here? |
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GK Paul
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 07:04:04 [Permalink]
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Hitler said in Mein Kampf "Everyone who believes in the higher evolution of living organisms". (someone brought in the whole secrion in the Coulter forum) Or look it up yourself if you want.
Germany had a lot of Catholics before the war and had cathedrals that took hundreds of years to build all over the place. Do you think Hitler was dumb enough to use Darwin's name. Hitler was evil but he wasn't stupid. Hitler believed in the superiority of the white race just like Darwin believed in the superiority of the fittest animals. Are you telling me the Nazi scientists never heard of Darwin and that they disagreed with his theory and that it had no influence on them... And I'm not saying all evolutionists are Nazis. |
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GK Paul
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 07:08:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Oh, so now you are being persecuted?
I have an idea: why don't you respond to any of the responses that have been given to you on any topic in this thread or the Coulter thread.
Here, I'll restate one for you:
The Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, slavery, etc; I guess those events invalidate christianity using your "logic" - given that you are trying to invalidate "Darwinism" (whatever that is) by saying that Hitler (a christian) used it to justify his actions.
I respond to your question within 3 days. |
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GK Paul
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 07:18:09 [Permalink]
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| I'm being swamped by many questions. You all must think I'm one of the three wise men... If I don't get back to you, than I don't get back with you. I do work full time by the way. If you think I'm avoiding your questions, than you think I'm avoiding your questions. |
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GK Paul
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 09:28:48 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
Oh and while I was looking around (pertains to the beginning of this thread about Saul/Paul):
ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Emphasis mine. See any problems here?
I'll respond to this within 3 days. |
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"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 09:36:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GK Paul
Hitler said in Mein Kampf "Everyone who believes in the higher evolution of living organisms". (someone brought in the whole secrion in the Coulter forum) Or look it up yourself if you want.
I'm the one who quoted the whole section, which showed definitively that Hitler was not - not - a believer in Darwinian evolution.quote:
Germany had a lot of Catholics before the war and had cathedrals that took hundreds of years to build all over the place.
Yeah, but Hitler was following in Martin Luther's antisemite footsteps. You can't blame Hitler on the Catholics.quote:
Do you think Hitler was dumb enough to use Darwin's name.
Apparently, Hitler wasn't even so dumb as to think he was using Darwin's ideas, either.quote:
Hitler was evil but he wasn't stupid. Hitler believed in the superiority of the white race just like Darwin believed in the superiority of the fittest animals.
Darwin believed no such thing. Darwin's single use of the phrase "survival of the fittest" was to criticize that idea. You've been led away from the truth by Coulter and those like her, GK Paul. It's a pity that you're fighting, tooth-and-nail, to stay steeped in falsehoods, instead of trying to find out what really went on decades before you were born.
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Are you telling me the Nazi scientists never heard of Darwin and that they disagreed with his theory and that it had no influence on them...
Now you're trying to shift the discussion away from Hitler himself and move on to "Nazi scientists." I don't see much in the way of records about what they believed, but Hitler made sure that his own ideas were widely known, and they don't include Darwin even by implication. Eugenics doesn't logically follow from the theory of evolution.quote:
And I'm not saying all evolutionists are Nazis.
No, you're just trying to say that acceptance of evolution and atheism necessarily lead to evil, while using poor examples to make your point (since Hitler was neither a Darwinist nor an atheist). |
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GK Paul
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 09:40:25 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by pleco
Oh, so now you are being persecuted?
I have an idea: why don't you respond to any of the responses that have been given to you on any topic in this thread or the Coulter thread.
Here, I'll restate one for you:
The Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, slavery, etc; I guess those events invalidate christianity using your "logic" - given that you are trying to invalidate "Darwinism" (whatever that is) by saying that Hitler (a christian) used it to justify his actions.
Christ said there are those who have my name on their lips but their hearts are far from me. He also said not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. So just because those involved in the Inquisition and the Crusades and slavery might have had Christ on their lips. Christ wasn't in their hearts and they will be punished for it. The Crusades might have also been a way God used to punish the Arabs for the sin of invading and conquering Palestine. |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 09:47:13 [Permalink]
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GKPaul: And Darwinism definitely lifted Hitler's spirits. That "survival of the fittest" fit right in with the Nazi Arian superiority myth, and gave him plenty of justification for the gas chambers.
It really doesn't matter what Hitler believed. Hitler, in case you hadn't heard, was a nutball of horrific proportion. His ideas of creating one “master race” may have been based on a misunderstanding of what Darwin meant by “survival of the fittest.” But that says nothing about Darwin or natural selection. What it says is that Hitler was as ignorant about the science of evolution as the creation scientists seem to be.
And really, what Coulter is doing here is making an emotional attack on evolution. It's a great big strawman argument that does not address the validity of evolutionary theory at all. If a fact is inconvenient to your worldview, you can't make it go away just because you don't like it. If you can't adjust your thinking to accommodate new knowledge, you become no different from those who persecuted Galileo because he saw something that was not consistent with church doctrine and biblical interpretation in his time. But in the end, Christians did adapt. And they will have to adapt their thinking on evolution too. It may take some time but that has been the history of Christians facing inconvenient scientific discoveries. Eventually they come around. Of course, we would prefer that happens sooner then later.
GKPaul, you are on the wrong side of history. And when all of this finally plays itself out, the creationists who oppose evolution (not to be confused with theistic evolutionists) will become a footnote in the history of the advancement of science. Just like Galileo's persecutors have done.
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