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ergo123
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 Posted - 10/12/2006 : 13:48:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
I was making a statement of opinion (the "I think" part should have been a clue). I am an expert in my own opinion--I am very close to the source of my opinion, being my opinions come from my brain.
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No. What you said was : "I think they probably do that (this is the thought part) because it is the collapse itself, and the evidence at the scene after the collapse that doesn't add up with the official story of why they collapsed. (this is the why I think part, where you give evidence to support your thought)"
If I said I think that the Rosie O'Donnell is fat because she weighs nearly 200 lbs. What is after the because is my reasoning. I should have evidence to the fact that she weighs nearly 200.
Why? There are no laws governing what you think. I often have thoughts without any evidence for them whatsoever. Like this morning, I thought it would be nice to have pizza for dinner. Look at that. A thought without any evidence.
The problem here isn't thoughts without any evidence. The problem here is that you type posts without any evidence of thought.
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If you are making a statement about how you feel without evidence then why should we care how you feel?
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That can be answered by you and you alone...
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Here is my answer to the rhetorical quesion: I don't care how you feel. No one here cares how you feel. We want your evidence. Do you accept it when people feel like rubbing wax on their forehead cures their headache?
Absolutely--if they tell me it cures their headache why shouldn't I believe them. Maybe their headache was, as they say, all in their head! |
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Dude
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 14:04:59 [Permalink]
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Obviously your English Language skills are substandard. You seem to be unable to make the distinction between a thought (I want pizza for dinner) and a conclusion (WTC was brought down by CD).
The first doesn't require any evidence because it is easily recognized as entirely subjective.
The second, however, is a statement about objective reality. When you make such statements you are obligated to provide evidence to support them.
So, do you think the MIB are tapping your phones and monitoring your internet activities? It would only make sense for them to be keeping an eye on you since you are obviously not fooled by the "official" story they released to cover up their dastardly plot....
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 14:49:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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Obviously your English Language skills are substandard. You seem to be unable to make the distinction between a thought (I want pizza for dinner) and a conclusion (WTC was brought down by CD).
The first doesn't require any evidence because it is easily recognized as entirely subjective.
But I didn't want pizza for dinner. As I said, I thought it would be nice to have pizza for dinner. I'm watching my weight--so I typically have a bowl of cereal for dinner. The pizza will be for the wife and kids. So, you see, my thought about pizza was a conclusion--I concluded it would be nice.... And look, ma, no evidence!
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The second, however, is a statement about objective reality. When you make such statements you are obligated to provide evidence to support them.
First of all, it is my opinion things don't add up. And second of all, I'm obliged to do no such things with my opinions. If I think you are a dim-wit, I need provide no evidence to anyone of that opinion. Besides, you seem to be providing all the evidence anyone would ever need to reach that conclusion on your own.
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So, do you think the MIB are tapping your phones and monitoring your internet activities? It would only make sense for them to be keeping an eye on you since you are obviously not fooled by the "official" story they released to cover up their dastardly plot....
Not to worry--there are lots of people who aren't fooled by NIST. |
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Dude
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 15:23:45 [Permalink]
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Not to worry--there are lots of people who aren't fooled by NIST.
yep. That 25% of the country who is retarded.
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 15:26:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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Not to worry--there are lots of people who aren't fooled by NIST.
yep. That 25% of the country who is retarded.
You are obliged to show evidence for that claim, buddy... |
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McQ
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 15:28:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
Absolutely--if they tell me it cures their headache why shouldn't I believe them. Maybe their headache was, as they say, all in their head!
You can have a bunch of earwax I saved up for you then. Slather some on your forehead. It'll cure your headache, but you have to leave it on for two days. My aunt tried it and it worked for her. Believe me. After all, why shouldn't you?
Since anecdotal stories are all you need to be convinced of anything, then why do you even bother to ask anyone else for evidence? The headache remedy is anecdotal. Most of the rest of the real skeptics rely on evidence-based medicine. But then, they rely on evidence for most things, unlike you. Sadly, you're just a guy who craves attention. Nothing more. You're pathetic.
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 16:01:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by McQ
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Originally posted by ergo123
Absolutely--if they tell me it cures their headache why shouldn't I believe them. Maybe their headache was, as they say, all in their head!
You can have a bunch of earwax I saved up for you then. Slather some on your forehead. It'll cure your headache, but you have to leave it on for two days. My aunt tried it and it worked for her. Believe me. After all, why shouldn't you?
Since anecdotal stories are all you need to be convinced of anything, then why do you even bother to ask anyone else for evidence? The headache remedy is anecdotal. Most of the rest of the real skeptics rely on evidence-based medicine. But then, they rely on evidence for most things, unlike you. Sadly, you're just a guy who craves attention. Nothing more. You're pathetic.
You've missed the point, again. The placebo effect is, well, an effect. Sometimes people--I suspect your auntie is one of them--have real pain, but it's caused, essentially, by the power of thought. Some get headaches, for example, for no reason other than stress or some other psychological factor. For those people, if they believe a treatment will work (or for many, all they need to do is consider whatever you tell them to do a "treatment") their symptoms go away. All sorts of factors influence the effect. The placebo effect is well documented and often use in the medicine of many cultures--even western culture.
Personally, I don't believe your auntie's earwax will help me when I have a headache. So, feel free to use it yourself, as lip balm. |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 16:36:49 [Permalink]
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Visit www.implosionworld.com
Read their interesting analysis on controlled demolition scenario of WTC.
You've GOT to be kidding! That document is hysterical!!
My favorite? Their responce to the assertion that molten metal was found at the scene after the events. Their response: "We have come across no evidence that supports this claim."
LOL HAHAHA LMFAO!
But I see where you got the "this is how a demolition is done" schtick. In my opinion, it hurts their credibility that they don't explore any other ways of taking down a building. But I guess they couldn't do that--because it would have illustrated how it could have been done. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 16:39:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
First of all, it is my opinion things don't add up. And second of all, I'm obliged to do no such things with my opinions. If I think you are a dim-wit, I need provide no evidence to anyone of that opinion.
No, you don't. But if you start touting it around, people are going to think you're a bad person unless you can voice a very good reason for stating so. This is where you go from thinking and having an opinion to an assertion about objective reality that requires evidence.quote:
Besides, you seem to be providing all the evidence anyone would ever need to reach that conclusion on your own.
That would be in the eye of the beholder, and all beholders but you (apparently) disagrees with you.
I've had a heated argument or two with Dude that makes your argument pale in comparison, but I cannot recall thinking him a dim-wit, much less stating so.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 16:41:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
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Originally posted by Dude
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Not to worry--there are lots of people who aren't fooled by NIST.
yep. That 25% of the country who is retarded.
You are obliged to show evidence for that claim, buddy...
My evidence: 25% of the people voted for Bush. |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 16:54:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by ergo123
First of all, it is my opinion things don't add up. And second of all, I'm obliged to do no such things with my opinions. If I think you are a dim-wit, I need provide no evidence to anyone of that opinion.
No, you don't. But if you start touting it around, people are going to think you're a bad person unless you can voice a very good reason for stating so. This is where you go from thinking and having an opinion to an assertion about objective reality that requires evidence.quote:
Besides, you seem to be providing all the evidence anyone would ever need to reach that conclusion on your own.
That would be in the eye of the beholder, and all beholders but you (apparently) disagrees with you.
I've had a heated argument or two with Dude that makes your argument pale in comparison, but I cannot recall thinking him a dim-wit, much less stating so.
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 16:55:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by ergo123
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Originally posted by Dude
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Not to worry--there are lots of people who aren't fooled by NIST.
yep. That 25% of the country who is retarded.
You are obliged to show evidence for that claim, buddy...
My evidence: 25% of the people voted for Bush.
That's a good one! |
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Neurosis
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 17:21:26 [Permalink]
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Ergo, I think you missed the class in third grade where they taught the difference between fact and opinion. Here is a quick review.
"I like the color blue." This is an opinion. It is entirely subjective and relative to me. There is no way of determining which colors are better than other colors so I can like whatever I wish and you as well.
"The sky is blue." This is a fact. It can be tested and shown to be true or false. I do not feel that the sky is blue. It is blue (in the day time at least). I cannot feel that the sky is pink with green stripes. If I did feel that, then people would feel that I am an idiot and the two of us would have something in common.
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The problem here is that you type posts without any evidence of thought.
Again, you assert something without any evidence.
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Absolutely--if they tell me it cures their headache why shouldn't I believe them. Maybe their headache was, as they say, all in their head!
I think you have a problem following logic. If you think the headache example proves that the wax cured his headache then it is no wonder you believe the weird things you do. If the headache was psychosomatic then it was a product of his thoughts, and if rubbing the wax on his head changed his thoughts to eliminate his headaches, then it was the change in thought that cured the headache not the wax. The case provides no evidence that rubbing wax on your forehead can heal a headache or that wax has any medicinal properties.
I would like to also point out yet again that you have not given any point for this thread. You have been provided with evidence independent of the NIST report and the sources for the NIST report (which are independent by virtue of being sources). You have yet to address any of it or post any evidence to support your feeling. As though that counted for anything. |
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McQ
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 18:40:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
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Originally posted by McQ
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Originally posted by ergo123
Absolutely--if they tell me it cures their headache why shouldn't I believe them. Maybe their headache was, as they say, all in their head!
You can have a bunch of earwax I saved up for you then. Slather some on your forehead. It'll cure your headache, but you have to leave it on for two days. My aunt tried it and it worked for her. Believe me. After all, why shouldn't you?
Since anecdotal stories are all you need to be convinced of anything, then why do you even bother to ask anyone else for evidence? The headache remedy is anecdotal. Most of the rest of the real skeptics rely on evidence-based medicine. But then, they rely on evidence for most things, unlike you. Sadly, you're just a guy who craves attention. Nothing more. You're pathetic.
You've missed the point, again. The placebo effect is, well, an effect. Sometimes people--I suspect your auntie is one of them--have real pain, but it's caused, essentially, by the power of thought. Some get headaches, for example, for no reason other than stress or some other psychological factor. For those people, if they believe a treatment will work (or for many, all they need to do is consider whatever you tell them to do a "treatment") their symptoms go away. All sorts of factors influence the effect. The placebo effect is well documented and often use in the medicine of many cultures--even western culture.
Personally, I don't believe your auntie's earwax will help me when I have a headache. So, feel free to use it yourself, as lip balm.
Nice attempt at saving face from my analogy, ego. And perhaps, doctor, you can tell me more about the placebo effect, as my 17 years in the field of hematology and oncology may not have yet prepared me as well as your stunning search for "placebo effect" on Google. I'm all ears. That is, after all, where all that wax comes from.
You are a joke.
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/12/2006 : 18:43:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Neurosis
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Ergo, I think you missed the class in third grade where they taught the difference between fact and opinion. Here is a quick review.
"I like the color blue." This is an opinion.
HAHAHA That's not an opinion--it's a statement of affinity. "I think blue is the best color," is an opinion. I guess it's back to school for you.
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