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ergo123
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 Posted - 10/23/2006 : 17:15:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by ergo123
I've already told you cunie, the point was to establish the molten metal as observed evidence.
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When are you going to begin to accept "yes" answers?
I already have Dave. I'm not sure why folks haven't moved on. But they keep posting...
[quote] When are you going to move on to the next evidenciary step?
I'm working on it. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 17:23:31 [Permalink]
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Pouring bronze
Casting removed from the investment.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 17:27:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by ergo123
I've already told you cunie, the point was to establish the molten metal as observed evidence.
When are you going to begin to accept "yes" answers?
I already have Dave. I'm not sure why folks haven't moved on. But they keep posting...
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When are you going to move on to the next evidenciary step?
I'm working on it.
Well there was a time when you tsk-tsked people for not staying on topic. If people keep posting things that are irrelevant, why not ignore them and simply state that we're moving on? |
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ergo123
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810 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2006 : 18:15:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Master Yoda
Ergo, do I have to use little piles of pooh-pooh?
I don't know. I'm not the boss of you. I just feel compelled to use the emoticons with someone who calls himself "Master Yoda"...
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Ergo, you're not looking for answers. You're looking for support of your doctrinaire view. We accept that there are some "yes" answers, some "no" answers, and still a few "maybe" answers.
Of course I'm looking for answers. But I'm looking for reasoned answers. Just saying "well that seems unrealistic," is not a reasoned answer.
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You want a single authoritative site with all the answers. There is none.
Yes, I know that. I'm not looking for any one site or source to have all the answers. Wanting a site to have just one answer is hardly wanting it to have all the answers. Why do you exaggerate what I'm looking for like that?
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No one's written the Big Book of 9/11, yet.
And I dont expect anyone to in my lifetime.
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One "Yes". There was molten METAL at GZ. So what?!?! Where does that lead you?
Does it have to lead somewhere? Is that the rule? One can only ask question about something they know will lead somewhere? If that is your rule, you will never get anywhere new.
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Please explain how that supports your OP, which I've asked you to do time and again, already. How does "really hot" equate to "must've been explosives"? We're waiting.
It doesn't, directly. There need to be steps in between. As I've pointed out before, time and again, this first step was establishing the molten metal was there. One can't very well link molten metal to explosives or a.r.sbeing used if the molten metal was not there, right?
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furshur
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 18:23:19 [Permalink]
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One "Yes". There was molten METAL at GZ. So what?!?! Where does that lead you?
Does it have to lead somewhere? Is that the rule? One can only ask question about something they know will lead somewhere? If that is your rule, you will never get anywhere new.
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Please explain how that supports your OP, which I've asked you to do time and again, already. How does "really hot" equate to "must've been explosives"? We're waiting.
It doesn't, directly. There need to be steps in between. As I've pointed out before, time and again, this first step was establishing the molten metal was there. One can't very well link molten metal to explosives or a.r.sbeing used if the molten metal was not there, right?
So you are asking random questions that lead no where and are not intended to prove or disprove you belief.
I have a questions for you.
Are you retarded?
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Master Yoda
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 18:53:36 [Permalink]
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You know, Ergo, you really are a punk. This is like schoolyard debating, and you're getting your ass kicked every time you resort to stupid tactics. That's about the third time you've referred to my screen name as though it mean something significant. That like schoolyard taunting.... "Randy? Heh heh heh? Are you always horny?" "Hey Four Eyes!" "Yadda yadda yadda!"
Do you really think that H. Humbert is a character in a Nabakov novel, or that Filthy is really really dirty and grungy. (Hey, Filthy - I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here... )
If you'd read through the forums you'd have seen the post where I explained my screen name in passing, and a very innnocent explanation it is, too. (Hint: I'm neither 130 cm tall, nor 412 years old. Really! I swear!)
What, you think because you can take one word out of a quote from Rene Descartes that we're going to actually think you're a philosopher? Let's have a quick vote... Everyone who thinks that Ergo123 is the logical successor to Thomas Aquinas, please step forward. Don't be shy.... Step right up. Golly, no takers, Ergo. Is there a possibility that your screen name is not really you? Gasp! Shudder! What will we do?
Interesting that you chose the "ergo" portion... and not the "I think" nor the "I am".... you chose a conjunction as your screen-name. Whooooo! High fives all around, gotcha there! You're a con-junk-shun, har har har! I'll shun you 'cuz you're conning us with your junk! Get it? Huh? Wink wink, nudge nudge!
So, get back to your preposterous non-theory, please. (Don't cut and respond to the above, .... it was meant to be a totally exaggerated derail!)
You're running out of pages here, and haven't yet postulated just what the dangnabbed molten metal has to do with linking your brilliant logic to a new - just announced about two messages ago - middle area that will then lead to another area that will then lead to proof of explosives! You gave us eight little quotes, we agree that there could've been some sort of molten metal, and.......
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 19:16:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
I already have Dave. I'm not sure why folks haven't moved on. But they keep posting...
It's because you failed to answer. You argued with 'yes' answers on at least three occassions. You can't seem to bear people agreeing with you as much as you can't stand it when people disagree with you.quote:
I'm working on it.
Do tell. |
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ergo123
BANNED
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810 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2006 : 20:26:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
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One "Yes". There was molten METAL at GZ. So what?!?! Where does that lead you?
Does it have to lead somewhere? Is that the rule? One can only ask question about something they know will lead somewhere? If that is your rule, you will never get anywhere new.
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Please explain how that supports your OP, which I've asked you to do time and again, already. How does "really hot" equate to "must've been explosives"? We're waiting.
It doesn't, directly. There need to be steps in between. As I've pointed out before, time and again, this first step was establishing the molten metal was there. One can't very well link molten metal to explosives or a.r.sbeing used if the molten metal was not there, right?
So you are asking random questions that lead no where and are not intended to prove or disprove you belief.
I have a questions for you.
Are you retarded?
I ask questions. Sometimes they lead to interesting answers. Sometimes they don't. If you only ask questions that you know the answer to, you don't learn anything. |
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ergo123
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810 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2006 : 20:40:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Master Yoda
You know, Ergo, you really are a punk. This is like schoolyard debating, and you're getting your ass kicked every time you resort to stupid tactics. That's about the third time you've referred to my screen name as though it mean something significant.
If you don't realize that a chosen name is revealing, then you weren't paying attention in psych 101. 
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Do you really think that H. Humbert is a character in a Nabakov novel, or that Filthy is really really dirty and grungy. (Hey, Filthy - I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here... )
No, I'm not that literal...
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If you'd read through the forums you'd have seen the post where I explained my screen name in passing, and a very innnocent explanation it is, too. (Hint: I'm neither 130 cm tall, nor 412 years old. Really! I swear!)
Hmm. The name is a little bit of a sore spot, eh? Don't humiliate yourself further by defending it, for cripe's sake.
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What, you think because you can take one word out of a quote from Rene Descartes that we're going to actually think you're a philosopher?
Not a bit. That's not what it's a reference to. It's part of the name of the company I work for. I do most of these posts from work, so I thought it only fitting...
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You're running out of pages here, and haven't yet postulated just what the dangnabbed molten metal has to do with linking your brilliant logic to a new - just announced about two messages ago - middle area that will then lead to another area that will then lead to proof of explosives!
As I said many times before, I don't know what this evidence will lead to. It might lead to the proof of explosives and/or a.r.; but it might not. You see, while I can't escape perceiving a particular theory as being the most likely, I can be objective and follow the evidence where it leads--no matter where it leads. Maybe it's easier for me to do because that's how I earn my living.
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ergo123
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810 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2006 : 20:41:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by ergo123
I already have Dave. I'm not sure why folks haven't moved on. But they keep posting...
It's because you failed to answer. You argued with 'yes' answers on at least three occassions. You can't seem to bear people agreeing with you as much as you can't stand it when people disagree with you.quote:
I'm working on it.
Do tell.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 20:42:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
I ask questions. Sometimes they lead to interesting answers. Sometimes they don't. If you only ask questions that you know the answer to, you don't learn anything.
You're the living proof that even if you're getting answers it doesn't necessarily mean you're capable of learning. |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 22:08:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by ergo123
I ask questions. Sometimes they lead to interesting answers. Sometimes they don't. If you only ask questions that you know the answer to, you don't learn anything.
You're the living proof that even if you're getting answers it doesn't necessarily mean you're capable of learning.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 10/24/2006 : 11:29:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
If you don't realize that a chosen name is revealing, then you weren't paying attention in psych 101.
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It's some kind of mental slip of mine that almost always make me type Error instead of Ergo. The similarities are too great to be ignored, and certainly explains Ergo's choice of name. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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14408 Posts |
 Posted - 10/24/2006 : 12:10:44 [Permalink]
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Diagram of a bloomery. Bloomeries are the most ancient of blast furnace designs. Iron smelting is known to date back to around 3,000 BCE , but the redsmiths (bronze workers) of the day found iron difficult and cranky to work, so bloomeries actually came into common use rather later.
The name comes from the iron “bloom” they produce. Called “sponge iron” it is porous, and is riddled with slag. Before using it for anything beyond a doorstop, it must be reheated to a malleable state and the slag forged out. From there, it is either “grey” (cast) or “wrought” (ductile) iron. A great deal of ornamental iron work such as window grilles and, well, doorstops, is made from grey iron.
Grey iron is soft and brittle, and therefore useless for anything that must take any stress. Ductile iron, on the other hand, is strong and easily forged into tools and implements. It was the industrial standard before the advent of low carbon steels, and high carbon steels became easier to produce, and later, by alloying, various other steels such as stainless.
Sponge iron, from the oxides in ore, does not require melting temperatures as high as pig iron.
But back to the bloomery. Basically, a bloomery is little more than a chimney with holes in the bottom. They can be drafted naturally, by bellows, or, more commonly for ancient ones, simply by a large hole facing the prevailing wind. For that reason many bloomeries were built on hilltops. They were fired with charcoal.
To smelt with a bloomery, the iron ore first must be heated to remove all moisture, and a charcoal fire built in the bottom. Then the ore, crushed into small chunks, is mixed about 50/50 with charcoal by volume, and some 10% crushed limestone added as a flux to keep the slag to a minimum. When the fire in the bottom is good and hot, the ore/charcoal/lime is added through the top and the melt begins. At this point, the draft must be carefully controlled, If it gets too hot, the bloom will absorb too much carbon. As the bloom forms, it trickles out through the holes, called tuyères, in the bottom of the bloomery. Sometimes, after the smelt, earthen bloomeries were simply torn down to get the iron. Even the slag from the smelt was saved to be re-smelted, as it still contained a little ore.
Bloomeries, the most venerable of foundry equipment, are still in use today in various parts of the world, and are sometimes used, in smaller versions, by artisans and hobbyists.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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4955 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2006 : 12:12:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
It's some kind of mental slip of mine that almost always make me type Error instead of Ergo. The similarities are too great to be ignored, and certainly explains Ergo's choice of name.
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Molten metal
