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Dude
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ergo(liar)123 said:
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Well, since elves don't exist--let alone tiny little blue ones--it will not be necessary to check out that "theory."
Prove that elves don't exist.
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 09:17:16 [Permalink]
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The towers were not brought down by thermite charges, either. There is no evidence that such happened, indeed, quite the contrary, and it is highly unlikely that anyone not suffering from Tremain's delirium saw any molten steel.
Filth, please read the op for this thread. There are at least 5 sources who claim to have seen liquid metal. That's what this thread is about, period.
Either you have evidence that refutes the evidence I presented or you don't.
You sound like the people who, in the face of the evidence that bees can, indeed, fly, say the aerodynamics of the bee is such that it shouldn't be able to fly.
You are certainly within your rights to ignore the evidence. But please don't claim what you cannot support with evidence.
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 09:24:10 [Permalink]
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Egroie, I believe that there was no molten steel, though I do not claim it. If you were a real skeptic-- and if you knew better English, you'd understand. 
As the title of this thread implies, I make no claim what kind of metal melted into the pools witnesses claimed to see.
Step one is to agree that the molten metal existed; step two is to determine what kind of metal it is. |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 09:28:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Egroie, I believe that there was no molten steel, though I do not claim it. If you were a real skeptic-- and if you knew better English, you'd understand.
As the title of this thread implies, I make no claim what kind of metal melted into the pools witnesses claimed to see.
Step one is to agree that the molten metal existed; step two is to determine what kind of metal it is.
Great!!!!! What kind of metal was it?!?! |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 09:37:44 [Permalink]
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Where I think we are having a problem here, is in the structure itself. We are assuming that the components would have to be either cut or melted away to have caused the collapse.
I am making no such assumption. If you would take the time to read the op of this thread, and stay on topic, this would go a lot smoother. I am amazed at the lack of intellectual discipline exhibited here! Why do you keep jumping from "was there molten metal in the rubble at Ground Zero," to speculations of what would have to happen if... what assumptions need to be made... etc.
And then, in all this speculation, you can't even manage to conceive of a combination of effects--it's always "if explosives were used blah, blah, blah..., or If thermite was used blah, blah, blah... But never "if explosives and aluminothermic reactants were used to leverage the impact of the planes and fires blah, blah, blah...
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Such is not necessarily the case. There only had to be a little more heat than needed to draw the temper from the steel, allowing it to soften and buckle, and gravity on the tonnage above the fire would do the rest.
But of course, you show no evidence of this wild speculation.
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Occham's Razor says that, given the available evidence, the simplest solution is usually the best one. To plant a sufficient quantity of any of the thermites, or high explosives, is in defiance of the available evidence.
It's odd that when calculating the amount of materials needed to bring down the towers, you forget about the mass of the upper floors--which at other times you claim could cause the observed damage by themselves...
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 09:39:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
ergo(liar)123 said:
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Well, since elves don't exist--let alone tiny little blue ones--it will not be necessary to check out that "theory."
Prove that elves don't exist.
Prove you are not an imbecile... |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 09:40:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by ergo123
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Egroie, I believe that there was no molten steel, though I do not claim it. If you were a real skeptic-- and if you knew better English, you'd understand.
As the title of this thread implies, I make no claim what kind of metal melted into the pools witnesses claimed to see.
Step one is to agree that the molten metal existed; step two is to determine what kind of metal it is.
Great!!!!! What kind of metal was it?!?!
I don't know. |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 09:48:00 [Permalink]
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I don't know.
Damnit. I guess this means that the notion of a controlled demolition is more or less confirmed, then. |
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furshur
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 10:26:59 [Permalink]
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You sound like the people who, in the face of the evidence that bees can, indeed, fly, say the aerodynamics of the bee is such that it shouldn't be able to fly.
You are really a peach. I believe at one point you stated that you have a masters in statistics - you seem like the poster child for the idea that advanced degrees do not necessarily have a direct correlation to intelligence.
edited to tone down the advanced degree diatribe.
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 10:57:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by ergo123
I don't know.
Damnit. I guess this means that the notion of a controlled demolition is more or less confirmed, then.
I'm not following your illogic there cunie. You must be punch-drunk after yesterday, eh? |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 11:05:01 [Permalink]
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Filth, please read the op for this thread. There are at least 5 sources who claim to have seen liquid metal. That's what this thread is about, period.
Will someone please post 5 testimonials that Blue Fairies have been witnessed.
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 11:09:33 [Permalink]
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One thing I find interesting--and frankly, a little surprising--is how after all you sheeple's posturing over my lack of evidence (which I told you would come soon), you completely folded in the face of 10 sources related to molten metal at Ground Zero.
Aside from one serious attempt to challenge the evidence (by cunie--on page 1 of this thread), all I've seen are unsupported, speculative claims and posts having nothing to do with the topic (see furshur and papasmurf, above).
The Red herring of "spontaneous thermite" was flung into the mix, but when I questioned the thermodynamics of the process (as outlined by Greening) I get nothing. Your silence speaks volumes--and not to the veracity of the evidence I presented or the cd theory in general, but to what a waste of cyberspace you people are. You claim to be open-minded skeptics. But I see no evidence of that here. |
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filthy
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 Posted - 10/20/2006 : 11:22:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
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Originally posted by filthy
The towers were not brought down by thermite charges, either. There is no evidence that such happened, indeed, quite the contrary, and it is highly unlikely that anyone not suffering from Tremain's delirium saw any molten steel.
Filth, please read the op for this thread. There are at least 5 sources who claim to have seen liquid metal. That's what this thread is about, period.
Either you have evidence that refutes the evidence I presented or you don't.
You sound like the people who, in the face of the evidence that bees can, indeed, fly, say the aerodynamics of the bee is such that it shouldn't be able to fly.
You are certainly within your rights to ignore the evidence. But please don't claim what you cannot support with evidence.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lots of people claim to see UFOs, Bigfoot, and the Virgin Mary in grease stains, too. If what people think they see happens to be outside the psyhical properties of the event, they are mistaken. Or full of shit. Or outright lying, you choose.
I stated that there was no molten steel present and have shown why. Refute it if you can.
You have presented nothing. What the hell does the configuration of bees and their ability to fly have to do with anything? One of my neighbors is an apiarist and I've learned quite a bit about bees as well, but if you want to discuss that, start another thread. Or are you merely engaging in hand-waving again?
Oh, and the saying goes to the effect that, if a bumble bee were only known by it's description, engineers would think that it could not fly. More nonsense. Few engineers are that stupid.
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furshur
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Posted - 10/20/2006 : 11:28:35 [Permalink]
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One thing I find interesting--and frankly, a little surprising--is how after all you sheeple's posturing over my lack of evidence (which I told you would come soon), you completely folded in the face of 10 sources related to molten metal at Ground Zero.
Oh! I did not realize that was your evidence!
Some kind of melted metal = controled demolition. What can any one say to this stupid logic?
Some guy said he said he saw steel beams that had one end melted, this still says nothing about CD but I would still like to see some evidence of this beyond "some guy said it".
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