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Fripp
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 Posted - 10/24/2006 : 10:01:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
Then I hit the "back" button on my browser. And there was the reply with quote box--AND MY RANDOMLY TYPED LETTERS. They had not vanished.
So it seems the "user error" theory has been refuted.
*SIGH*
This is what happens when one who lacks the technical knowledge (which is NOT an insult) tries to determine the problem. Hitting the Back button merely returns the browser to the previously loaded HTML content cached by the browser which is stored on the local workstation - yours, ergo - including the ASCII text (I presume) entered in the text field area. What you are seeing does NOT reflect current server state. |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/24/2006 : 10:01:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by ergo123
So it seems the "user error" theory has been refuted.
Did you try refreshing, reloading, or opening a new window? The back button was never the only option. Your browser reloaded the page, ergo. Your browser sent the requests (three for the HTML and Java sources for the page itself, and 63 more individual requests for the smilies and other graphics). However it did that, there is absolutely no evidence that the problem was a glitch in this system.
Except the fact that the event happened and even if I had clicked the back button it shouldn't have been a factor. But you are right. I didn't test it by refreshing or reloading. But why would I refresh or reload the flood-control screen? |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/24/2006 : 10:06:06 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
So it seems the "user error" theory has been refuted.
Did you try refreshing, reloading, or opening a new window? The back button was never the only option. Your browser reloaded the page, ergo. Your browser sent the requests (three for the HTML and Java sources for the page itself, and 63 more individual requests for the smilies and other graphics). However it did that, there is absolutely no evidence that the problem was a glitch in this system.
Oh, but now I just tried it. I replied again to your last message within the 60 seconds and got the flood-control screen. I hit refresh and then retry on the little window that popped up (which I had never seen before--which suggests I'd never tried to refresh the flood-control screen before). It took me back to the flood-control screen. Using the fix this problem link, I went back to my post with quote box and lo and behold, my text was STILL there.
Maybe you should try these tests before accusing me of user error. |
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ergo123
BANNED
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810 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2006 : 10:08:55 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
So it seems the "user error" theory has been refuted.
Did you try refreshing, reloading, or opening a new window? The back button was never the only option. Your browser reloaded the page, ergo. Your browser sent the requests (three for the HTML and Java sources for the page itself, and 63 more individual requests for the smilies and other graphics). However it did that, there is absolutely no evidence that the problem was a glitch in this system.
Maybe it was because I was wearing jeans when I made the post that disappeared... Or white socks... Or maybe because I had a bagel for breakfast... |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2006 : 11:26:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
Oh, but now I just tried it. I replied again to your last message within the 60 seconds and got the flood-control screen. I hit refresh and then retry on the little window that popped up (which I had never seen before--which suggests I'd never tried to refresh the flood-control screen before). It took me back to the flood-control screen. Using the fix this problem link, I went back to my post with quote box and lo and behold, my text was STILL there.
Maybe you should try these tests before accusing me of user error.
Maybe you should stick to the evidence: I never said that you reloaded the flood control screen, and I never suggested you try that. I said that something on your end of things (either you or a glitch in your system) reloaded the "Reply with Quote" page. I've been saying that for quite some time now.
I also never said that you personally definitely must have done it, so your accusation that I've made a false accusation is itself false. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/24/2006 : 11:26:52 [Permalink]
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There goes another train wreck...
Halfmooner, would you like some popcorn?
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ergo123
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810 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2006 : 11:30:36 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by ergo123
Oh, but now I just tried it. I replied again to your last message within the 60 seconds and got the flood-control screen. I hit refresh and then retry on the little window that popped up (which I had never seen before--which suggests I'd never tried to refresh the flood-control screen before). It took me back to the flood-control screen. Using the fix this problem link, I went back to my post with quote box and lo and behold, my text was STILL there.
Maybe you should try these tests before accusing me of user error.
Maybe you should stick to the evidence: I never said that you reloaded the flood control screen, and I never suggested you try that. I said that something on your end of things (either you or a glitch in your system) reloaded the "Reply with Quote" page. I've been saying that for quite some time now.
I also never said that you personally definitely must have done it, so your accusation that I've made a false accusation is itself false.
You poor man... |
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Dave W.
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2006 : 11:38:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
You poor man...
I'm not the one who was purposefully reloading the wrong page and then saying, "see, it wasn't my fault!" |
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Fripp
SFN Regular
USA
727 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2006 : 11:38:23 [Permalink]
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You know, Dave, I commend you.
Having spent the amount of time that you spent trying to solve the problem, compounded by utter ignorance of the user, the user's downright snotty 'tude, and, finally, the user refusing to accept any fault or to offer even a simple apology for misinterpreting innocent mistakes....well, I would have lost my patience long ago. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/24/2006 : 11:40:37 [Permalink]
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| Sorry it had to come to this, but I'm locking this thread and deleting selected portions. |
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It's even worse than it appears
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2006 : 12:04:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
You know, Dave, I commend you.
Having spent the amount of time that you spent trying to solve the problem, compounded by utter ignorance of the user, the user's downright snotty 'tude, and, finally, the user refusing to accept any fault or to offer even a simple apology for misinterpreting innocent mistakes....well, I would have lost my patience long ago.
Well, my ducks are all in a nice row. I clearly see all 67 requests that ergo's machine made to our server to reload the "Reply with Quote" page three seconds after he saw a flood control message when trying to reply to the particular message of Cune's that ergo singled out. I can also clearly see another instance of ergo getting a flood control message after which his system did not reload the "Reply with Quote" page, and after which he successfully posted the text he wanted to post. The more ergo protests and tries to prove his innocence by reloading the wrong page, the more desperate and unreasonable he makes himself appear. There's no reason for me to lose my patience, since the longer this goes on, the worse it is for him. |
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Fripp
SFN Regular
USA
727 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2006 : 12:13:32 [Permalink]
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I checked out @tomic studio's solution for you. They seem to have set up a nice, relatively simple solution for you.
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"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2006 : 12:22:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
I checked out @tomic studio's solution for you. They seem to have set up a nice, relatively simple solution for you.
Actually, @tomic is the third admin here, and is our mostly absentee webmaster. I'm just doing what I can, including log analysis and decyphering ASP code, while he's off dealing with real life. |
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ergo123
BANNED
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810 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2006 : 12:52:49 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by Fripp
You know, Dave, I commend you.
Having spent the amount of time that you spent trying to solve the problem, compounded by utter ignorance of the user, the user's downright snotty 'tude, and, finally, the user refusing to accept any fault or to offer even a simple apology for misinterpreting innocent mistakes....well, I would have lost my patience long ago.
Well, my ducks are all in a nice row. I clearly see all 67 requests that ergo's machine made to our server to reload the "Reply with Quote" page three seconds after he saw a flood control message when trying to reply to the particular message of Cune's that ergo singled out. I can also clearly see another instance of ergo getting a flood control message after which his system did not reload the "Reply with Quote" page, and after which he successfully posted the text he wanted to post. The more ergo protests and tries to prove his innocence by reloading the wrong page, the more desperate and unreasonable he makes himself appear. There's no reason for me to lose my patience, since the longer this goes on, the worse it is for him.
So you don't see 67 attemps to reload a page as a "system glitch?" I'm no internet guru by any stretch of the imagination--in fact I don't understand why you thing i was purposefully trying to reload the "wrong" page; what was the right page? And why was the one I used in the test the wrong one...?
But I do know enough not to click any button/link/whetever 67 times. |
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Dave W.
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 10/24/2006 : 13:15:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
So you don't see 67 attemps to reload a page as a "system glitch?"
How many times do I need to say that to load the "Reply with Quote" page, your browser asked for three web-page source-code files and 64 image files (for a total of 67 requests). It's not a glitch - if your browser reloads that page, it will make 67 requests for the 67 different resources specified on that page on our server. Every time you click "Reply with Quote," your browser requests those same 67 items. Why your browser reloaded the page when it did is what you've got to figure out - the reload wasn't caused by our system.quote:
I'm no internet guru by any stretch of the imagination--in fact I don't understand why you thing i was purposefully trying to reload the "wrong" page; what was the right page?
I never once claimed that your browser reloaded the flood control page - it reloaded the "Reply with quote" page.quote:
And why was the one I used in the test the wrong one...?
Because your browser didn't reload the flood control page. Your idea that by reloading the flood control page you have somehow proven that your browser did not reload the "Reply with Quote" page is simple lunacy.quote:
But I do know enough not to click any button/link/whetever 67 times.
Nobody said you did any such thing. Your browser needed to request 67 different items from our server in order to reload the "Reply with Quote" page. If it were just a "glitch" and the request for that page came through without requesting the other 66 items that go along with it, then it might have been a simple coding problem somewhere. But no, your browser requested everything it needed for the whole page. |
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It seems very strange to me
