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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
 Posted - 11/07/2006 : 22:07:43
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As things are shaping up in the decisively historic 2006 US midterm elections, the House of Representatives will be under control of the Democratic Party. The Senate may remain in control of the GOP by the margin of a Senator or two. The Presidency is held by a now greatly weakened and repudiated lame duck.
It's a time in our history when Osama bin Laden remains free to plot, a nasty war continues to devolve into chaos, our middle class and poor continue to slip behind the wealthy, our education system continues to decline, people are losing their health insurance, and our nation does not have an effective strategy to reverse global warming.
The chance of gridlock and inaction in critical situations becomes dangerous.
Make no mistake: The Democratic Party won big tonight. The Democratic Party triumphed despite GOP accusations that it doesn't have any coherent plans for the nation.
Yet I'm here to tell you the GOP was right. Being a "big-tent" party, the Democratic Party has rarely had an actual plan or policy. Indeed, its victory is more due to the people's disgust with the failed policies of Bush and the GOP than it was a vote of confidence in the Democrats themselves.
The Democratic Party is essentially leaderless and without a vision. Neither the Party nor the Nation can afford this lack of leadership, particularly in this critical moment.
That's why I call upon Al Gore, the leading potential Democratic candidate for President in 2008, to step forward and take up the de facto leadership of the Democratic Party.
Al Gore, speaking
on global warming
I ask that Mr. Gore hold a series of grass-roots Democratic conferences across the Nation, with the participation of Independents. These conferences would work to establish practical and forward-looking policy positions for the Party and Nation for 2006, 2008, and beyond.
And I ask those who do not want to see a repeat of the Bush years to seriously consider getting behind Al Gore right now.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 11/07/2006 23:10:10
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 23:09:50 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
That's why I call upon Al Gore, the leading potential Democratic candidate for President in 2008, to step forward and take up the de facto leadership of the Democratic Party.
You're kidding, right?
This is the same joker who ran on unprecedented prosperity and peace and still lost to the chimp back in 2000, right?
This is not the man to rally the masses. He'd be great as a stuffed suit, locked away in some corporate office meeting with lawyers and going over the achingly dull minutia of business, but put a microphone in front of him and put him in front of a crowd, and the crowd goes to sleep!
No. Gore got my vote once, but that's enough. He's not getting it again.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2006 : 23:11:25 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Mycroft
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
That's why I call upon Al Gore, the leading potential Democratic candidate for President in 2008, to step forward and take up the de facto leadership of the Democratic Party.
You're kidding, right?
This is the same joker who ran on unprecedented prosperity and peace and still lost to the chimp back in 2000, right?
This is not the man to rally the masses. He'd be great as a stuffed suit, locked away in some corporate office meeting with lawyers and going over the achingly dull minutia of business, but put a microphone in front of him and put him in front of a crowd, and the crowd goes to sleep!
No. Gore got my vote once, but that's enough. He's not getting it again.
Actually, the Chimp lost the popular vote to Gore. 51,003,926 votes for Gore vs. 50,460,110 votes for Bush. Why did you represent such an easily-checked fact, Mycroft?
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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| Edited by - HalfMooner on 11/07/2006 23:36:37 |
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2006 : 00:35:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Actually, the Chimp lost the popular vote to Gore. 51,003,926 votes for Gore vs. 50,460,110 votes for Bush. Why did you represent such an easily-checked fact, Mycroft?
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Who cares? Gore lost the election. Period. Move on with your life. That horse is long dead.
If in the popular vote he eeked out almost a half percentage point lead, that's not much of a recommendation considering the advantages he had. Incumbency, a solid economy, a federal budget that was balanced for the first time since WWII, Bill Clinton on his side (an advantage no matter who smoked his cigar) and most of all an obvious idiot for an opponent.
All that and he only got almost a half percentage point lead?!
He's Ambien in a suit. I'd rather see Hillary run.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2006 : 00:55:43 [Permalink]
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Is that the best you can do, Mycroft? Gore's 2000 popular vote victory is an historic, political fact, whatever your desperately revisionist comments may be afterward. Look, I sympathize with you for having your ass handed to you so decisively tonight. I've experienced the same feelings.
But Gore still got more votes than Bush in 2000, and your comment to the contrary was a transparent, wishful lie. I'm glad you've now revised your historical revisionism.
Nor was Gore, as you alleged, the "incumbent." Gore was the the sitting Vice President, not the incumbent President in 2000. It seems silly to have to correct such obvious misstatements as this, but it appears I have to. Another nice try at deception, Mycroft.
Gore is no "dead horse" now. On the other hand, Bush and the NeoCons are reeking with the stink of political morbidity. Democrats will control Congress, and Al Gore will likely be a strong candidate for the Presidency in 2008. Welcome to the new political reality, Mycroft!
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 11/08/2006 01:13:31 |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2006 : 01:11:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Is that the best you can do, Mycroft?
Actually its not bad at all.
The popular vote? So what? It is the electorate that matters. And most Americans choose not to vote for Gore.
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Nor was Gore, as you alleged, the "incumbent." Gore was the the sitting Vice President, not the incumbent President in 2000. It seems silly to have to correct such obvious misstatements as this, but it appears I have to. Another nice try at deception, Mycroft.
Aww come on, HalfMooner! Now you are acting silly. It is not strange to call a sitting vice president the incumbent in this case.quote:
Gore is no "dead horse" now.
It is the 2000 election that is the "dead horse".
If you are going to accuse Mycroft of deception you better read his posts better. |
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2006 : 01:58:51 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Is that the best you can do, Mycroft? Gore's 2000 popular vote victory is an historic, political fact, whatever your desperately revisionist comments may be afterward. Look, I sympathize with you for having your ass handed to you so decisively tonight. I've experienced the same feelings.
But Gore still got more votes than Bush in 2000, and your comment to the contrary was a transparent, wishful lie. I'm glad you've now revised your historical revisionism.
Nor was Gore, as you alleged, the "incumbent." Gore was the the sitting Vice President, not the incumbent President in 2000. It seems silly to have to correct such obvious misstatements as this, but it appears I have to. Another nice try at deception, Mycroft.
Gore is no "dead horse" now. On the other hand, Bush and the NeoCons are reeking with the stink of political morbidity. Democrats will control Congress, and Al Gore will likely be a strong candidate for the Presidency in 2008. Welcome to the new political reality, Mycroft!
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
1496 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2006 : 02:07:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Gore is no "dead horse" now...It is the 2000 election that is the "dead horse".
A stolen election will never be forgotten here - by a lot of people.
Halfmooner:
Gore seems much more presidential these days. Hey! How about this?
Gore/Obama 2008! |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2006 : 02:28:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Chippewa
A stolen election will never be forgotten here - by a lot of people.
No and it shouldn't be.
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Gore seems much more presidential these days. Hey! How about this?
Gore/Obama 2008!
Why not Obama/Gore?
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
1496 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2006 : 04:20:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Why not Obama/Gore?
OK - Sure. I probably placed Obama second because he's younger and a bit less experienced than Gore, but then again, Obama seems pretty sharp. On the republican side, it looks like McCain is again beginning to position himself for their nomination. He would be a strong opponent.
As HalfMooner implied, the Democrats have to accomplish something beneficial and important in the next two years so more people will vote for Democrats rather than against the NeoCons.
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2006 : 04:36:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Chippewa
On the republican side, it looks like McCain is again beginning to position himself for their nomination. He would be a strong opponent.
Back in 2000 I probably would have preferred McCain do Gore, but now I have lost most of my respect for him. quote:
As HalfMooner implied, the Democrats have to accomplish something beneficial and important in the next two years so more people will vote for Democrats rather than against the NeoCons.
Prediction:
In 2008 the GOP will blame all problems & failures on partisan Democrats in the Congress. |
"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/08/2006 : 06:47:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
In 2008 the GOP will blame all problems & failures on partisan Democrats in the Congress.
No doubt but this is politics in the USA just like Bush was blamed for the 911 attacks months after he took office. |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2006 : 00:40:39 [Permalink]
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It's unfortunate the voting public judges candidates on campaign skills rather than leadership skills. Look at the quality of leadership it got us the last 6 years.
I wouldn't judge Gore by the 2000 election. If he runs I'll judge him by his leadership skills and intelligence compared to the other candidates. This country has done better under Clinton who was intelligent and educated as Gore is. The country did poorly under ol' country George, not so intelligent but able to relate to the common folk I guess. Unfortunately the voting public relates to GW and found Gore "stiff". What stupid criteria to be judging candidates by. |
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2006 : 01:58:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
It's unfortunate the voting public judges candidates on campaign skills rather than leadership skills. Look at the quality of leadership it got us the last 6 years.
I wouldn't judge Gore by the 2000 election. If he runs I'll judge him by his leadership skills and intelligence compared to the other candidates. This country has done better under Clinton who was intelligent and educated as Gore is. The country did poorly under ol' country George, not so intelligent but able to relate to the common folk I guess. Unfortunately the voting public relates to GW and found Gore "stiff". What stupid criteria to be judging candidates by.
Okay. What leadership skills and intelligence has he demonstrated? |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2006 : 01:59:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
Unfortunately the voting public relates to GW and found Gore "stiff". What stupid criteria to be judging candidates by.
Yes it is stupid and unfair, but this is how it is.
If the democrats ignore this reality, reality will ignore the democrats.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2006 : 03:01:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
Unfortunately the voting public relates to GW and found Gore "stiff". What stupid criteria to be judging candidates by.
Yes it is stupid and unfair, but this is how it is.
If the democrats ignore this reality, reality will ignore the democrats.
The new paradigm (that's worth $.20 USD, for our non-American readers), is that people now clearly distrust the GOP and Bush a lot more than they worry about things like Gore's stiffness.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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