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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
 Posted - 03/04/2007 : 10:02:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
So you still have to invent own versions of Dave W.s posts.
Says a lot.
Actually, "...or whatever the inappropriate immature statements were he made" says a lot more. It says that beskeptigal doesn't actually care about the facts, she's just sure that no matter what I said, it was both inappropriate and immature. It's clear she's left rationality behind, and is proud of it. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2007 : 16:04:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
Dave's posts responding to that issue were especially revealing. I'm supposedly a bad person because I only chose to debate to a point. "Well you shouldn't have said anything" and "next time just tell me, I'll NEVER debate with you again" or whatever the inappropriate immature statements were he made. What was the point of such posts if not an emotional reaction?
So you still have to invent own versions of Dave W.s posts.
Says a lot.
"But now I know that such talk is anathema to you. Out of respect for you, I will henceforth refrain from trying to engage you in any such discussion ever again. " is the exact quote since you seem to think I made something up.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2007 : 17:06:14 [Permalink]
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| Just to clarify, beskeptigal, "any such discussion" referred only to those topics that you have already said you will not discuss. |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
 Posted - 03/04/2007 : 23:13:28 [Permalink]
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Originally admitted by beskeptigal
"But now I know that such talk is anathema to you. Out of respect for you, I will henceforth refrain from trying to engage you in any such discussion ever again. " is the exact quote since you seem to think I made something up.
Yes, and when you changed his words, you changed their meaning!!! You made up a quote that suited you better.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2007 : 03:26:46 [Permalink]
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I didn't make anything up, Starman, I paraphrased correctly what I recalled. "Ever again" is an immature statement and is not different from what I paraphrased. It isn't relevant whether it refers to all debate or debate over a single topic. Perhaps you and Dave are unaware it's the "ever again" portion of the statement that is relevant. It's a childish claim akin to, "I'm never speaking to you again."
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2007 : 04:22:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
I didn't make anything up, Starman, I paraphrased correctly what I recalled.
What you recall is irrelevant, as we can all read what Dave W. actually wrote. You changed his words to make his comments sound juvenile and childish.
I´m willing to belive that this initially was an honest mistake, but your follow up posts can´t use this excuse.quote:
"Ever again" is an immature statement and is not different from what I paraphrased. It isn't relevant whether it refers to all debate or debate over a single topic. Perhaps you and Dave are unaware it's the "ever again" portion of the statement that is relevant. It's a childish claim akin to, "I'm never speaking to you again."
Utter rubbish.
You are free invent new meanings to words for your own amusement, but you can´t expect Dave W. or anybody else to be aware of this.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2007 : 05:05:20 [Permalink]
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Just so that I am understanding you, beskeptigal:
Because the "ever again" part is actually redundant with the "henceforth" part, you considerOut of respect for you, I will henceforth refrain from trying to engage you in any such discussion ever again. to be inappropriate and immature, but you would not have consideredOut of respect for you, I will henceforth refrain from trying to engage you in any such discussion. to be inappropriate and immature? Am I reading you correctly? |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2007 : 14:53:24 [Permalink]
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That would be correct, Dave, as well there are many other statements in several of your posts with equally emotional undertones. In particular many of your posts address me personally as opposed to the content of the discussions. They include statements of outrage which by far exceed what would expected by the content of the post they are in reply to, including some cases where a simple correction of misinformation or misinterpretation would have been sufficient were there not an emotional component in your reaction.
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2007 : 22:18:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Dave is not interested in supporting positions. Dave is interested in wasting one's time and effort.
No. Dave is arguing to get his point across, just like any of the rest of us would.
Is it really so incomprehensible to you that someone could honestly hold a different point of view that you must attribute his motives to malice? |
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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
USA
427 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2007 : 23:01:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
Mycroft used "far left" to discredit my posts. Dave argued Mycroft only used "far left" in relative terms. Dave claimed I had faulty underlying assumptions. But then Mycroft came right out and said what Dave claimed I had no evidence for.
Let me clarify something here;
I didn't say “far left” for the purpose of discrediting anyone. I said it because it was my evaluation. Nothing more, nothing less.
I don't think I've ever seen forums where people are so fast to make up nefarious personal motivations for everyone that disagrees with them. Shouldn't the default position be the assumption that if someone argues something it's because it's their actual opinion?
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2007 : 01:14:52 [Permalink]
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Belief in one's "evaluation" doesn't negate the fact you are using ad hominems to discredit a person you don't agree with. It's your problem. The people on this board typically see through such tactics. The people using ad homs rarely use them with the full understanding of how little they add to one's position in a debate.
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
1266 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 04:39:41 [Permalink]
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beskeptigal, do you honestly think "far left" as a description of political views is an ad hominem?
He's not calling you a moron, he's calling you a liberal. Why are you offended by this? |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 09:15:30 [Permalink]
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She's a centrist Clinton liberal. If you ignore his foreign policy, Clinton is a conservative. Bob Avakian is far left.
It would not be an insult if she were far left, but since she isn't, it probably is. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 09:47:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
She's a centrist Clinton liberal. If you ignore his foreign policy, Clinton is a conservative. Bob Avakian is far left.
It would not be an insult if she were far left, but since she isn't, it probably is.
You know, terms like “far left” seem to be defined by whoever is saying it. What I mean is the definitions are subjective. For example, I think Clinton was a centrist. One mans centrist is another mans conservative I suppose. So we get into trouble because we don't know what the person making statements like “far left” or “centrist” actually mean, unless they define what those terms mean when they are using them… |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 10:19:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
You know, terms like “far left” seem to be defined by whoever is saying it. What I mean is the definitions are subjective. For example, I think Clinton was a centrist. One mans centrist is another mans conservative I suppose. So we get into trouble because we don't know what the person making statements like “far left” or “centrist” actually mean, unless they define what those terms mean when they are using them…
That's what I was saying early in this thread, Kil. |
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