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skeptic griggsy
Skeptic Friend
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 Posted - 04/03/2007 : 07:04:50 [Permalink]
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 Skeptics should not be theists,as it takes leave of the skeptical spirit to do so. |
Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism. Logic is the bane of theists.Religion is mythinformation. Reason saves, not a dead Galilean fanatic. |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/03/2007 : 07:21:23 [Permalink]
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griggsy wrote: quote:
Skeptics should not be theists,as it takes leave of the skeptical spirit to do so.
Taking the stance of a weak-theist/agnostic-theist/some-other-term-we-can-come-up-with-for-nonfundamentalist-progressive-theists takes no more leave of the the skeptical spirit than taking the stance of a strong or positive atheist. |
"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2007 : 09:22:54 [Permalink]
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marfknox said:
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If you apply critical thinking and a reasonable standard of evidence to religion, then the only reasonable conclusion you can reach is that atheism (in its simple definition, lack of theistic belief) must be the default position.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
USA
3739 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2007 : 09:49:57 [Permalink]
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| Dude, I've stated my case, you've stated yours. I still don't agree, and felt compelled to re-affirm that that I don't agree that religious skepticism defaults to atheism for the reasons I stated in my last post in response to you. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2007 : 14:00:09 [Permalink]
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marfknox said:
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Plenty of theists have such an attitude about their own religious beliefs. How can we say that is not religious skepticism?
Because they accept conclusions, however tentatively, and act as if they were true, despite the complete and overwhelming lack of evidence.
I would agree with you that the humanistic theists are prettymuch harmless, and are capable of being rational thinkers on most things, (when compared to the crazy fundies anyway), but accepting any conclusion without evidence, no mater how tentatively, and acting as if it were true... is inherently irrational.
So I'm not sure how the default skeptical position, concerning religion, can be anything other than atheism.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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skeptic griggsy
Skeptic Friend
USA
77 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2007 : 03:11:37 [Permalink]
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| I am with Dude. However, not to make the all or nothing fallacy, I state that they are almost complete skeptics. |
Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism. Logic is the bane of theists.Religion is mythinformation. Reason saves, not a dead Galilean fanatic. |
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skeptic griggsy
Skeptic Friend
USA
77 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2007 : 09:27:11 [Permalink]
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| We all could be more skeptical! |
Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism. Logic is the bane of theists.Religion is mythinformation. Reason saves, not a dead Galilean fanatic. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 05/16/2007 : 09:46:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by skeptic griggsy
We all could be more skeptical!
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To a point, I think. |
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Does Skepticism Default to Atheism?
