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Dave W.
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 Posted - 06/13/2007 : 09:03:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Dave, I did not realize that Cambridge allowed courses to be taught by people without authority and knowledge of the subjects that are taught. |
Once again we all get to see your dishonesty, Jerome. I never said Crichton isn't authoritative or knowledgable, I said that he isn't a scientist. You don't need to be a scientist to teach - not even to teach science. Not even at Cambridge.And such comments just demonstrate to everyone your cowardice at confronting reality. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 09:09:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Thats rich, because government would never publicity promote global warming to increase taxes.
Ohh, wait there are now carbon taxes. |
In Canada.| I guess a successful writer needs to lie to sell his books, but government would never lie to increase taxes. |
Jerome, the doublethink you're exhibiting is amazing. The underlying assumption in your argument, which you won't broach because it would just confuse you, is that governments have to lie to increase taxes. The possibility that the government would tell the truth while increasing taxes never enters your mind, and so your "logic" says that the fact that Canada has imposed a carbon tax necessarily means that they're lying about global warming. If your thinking didn't go that way, then the fact that a carbon tax exists wouldn't be evidence for the lie, like you seem to think it is. |
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Dude
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 09:59:14 [Permalink]
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Ghost said:
| Crichton is just a hack writer who is getting lots of publicity by denying global warming among other things in order to increase the sales of his lame ass books. |
Well, he isn't a terrible writer. His problem is that he thinks he can speak as an authority on topics outside of writing and his factually incorrect statements about things like global warming.
Jerome the Idiot said:
Your inability to form complex sentence structure is proportional to your inability to think beyond ideology.
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Uh huh. And we live in a communist country where liberals have created a lie about global warming to use as an excuse to increase taxes, prevent people from inventing magical power-from-water machines, keep Nessie alive, and implement a national eugenics program.
Get a grip on yourself you imbecile.
Fucking retarded troll.
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perrodetokio
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 15:14:31 [Permalink]
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I love how some religion practicing people label something as a "religion" in order to discredit it. That seems really hypocritical on their part!
How about "Being republican is a religion" or "the religion of republicanism". Or better yet: "The religion of democracy".
It wouldnīt be THAT bad if they called it "philosophy", but "religion"?
Why do they do that? Is it because they deny facts about GW so they think that people are holding something as true without scientific proof?
So I guess that people that think like that but at the sametime hold, say, ID or YEC as true and are trying (in vain) to find scientific proof to corroborate their "theories" are NOT religious.
I AM CONFUSED!
Why donīt they just say (in a high pitched voiced): "I NOW THAT YOU ARE! BUT WHAT AM I?"
Idiots!
And what about: "the conspiracy religion"
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 20:02:36 [Permalink]
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Dude said "Uh huh. And we live in a communist country where liberals have created a lie about global warming to use as an excuse to increase taxes, prevent people from inventing magical power-from-water machines, keep Nessie alive, and implement a national eugenics program." And
"Get a grip on yourself you imbecile." And
"Fucking retarded troll."
That was the straw man of all straw men.
Blow me down!
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 20:05:53 [Permalink]
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Perrodetokio said "How about "Being republican is a religion" or "the religion of republicanism".
I am neither republican nor religious. Your bias shows in your failed attempt at insult.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 20:07:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Thats rich, because government would never publicity promote global warming to increase taxes.
Ohh, wait there are now carbon taxes. |
In Canada.| I guess a successful writer needs to lie to sell his books, but government would never lie to increase taxes. |
Jerome, the doublethink you're exhibiting is amazing. The underlying assumption in your argument, which you won't broach because it would just confuse you, is that governments have to lie to increase taxes. The possibility that the government would tell the truth while increasing taxes never enters your mind, and so your "logic" says that the fact that Canada has imposed a carbon tax necessarily means that they're lying about global warming. If your thinking didn't go that way, then the fact that a carbon tax exists wouldn't be evidence for the lie, like you seem to think it is.
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There are no Federal Carbon taxes in Canada yet and not likely under the current band of NeoCon Knuckleheads running the country. Hell they just gave tarsands plants an exemption from new emissions regulations for what reason, I don't know - we already have to import workers to build the tarsands plants currently under constrution.
I think the provincial government in BC may be implementing a carbon tax soon - I know they are getting serious about global warming.
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History is made by stupid people - The Arrogant Worms
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"Religion is the natural home of the psychopath" - Pat Condell
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 20:21:42 [Permalink]
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/06/07/carbon-tax.html?ref=rss
Ghost, Quebec has started the ball rolling.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 21:41:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I am neither republican nor religious. Your bias shows in your failed attempt at insult. |
Uh, we aren't religious either, genius. But that was your insult, remember? That we only accept MMGW because we belong to a common religion? If it's enough to simply deny our religiosity, as you seem to think is sufficient in the above case, then I guess your bias was showing when you made the same charge against us. Isn't that right?
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 21:52:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
I am neither republican nor religious. Your bias shows in your failed attempt at insult. |
Uh, we aren't religious either, genius. But that was your insult, remember? That we only accept MMGW because we belong to a common religion? If it's enough to simply deny our religiosity, as you seem to think is sufficient in the above case, then I guess your bias was showing when you made the same charge against us. Isn't that right?
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I was in no way attempting an insult. I am sorry if you took it that way. I based my observation on the reactions to data admitted correct; yet denied based on various reasonings if that data did not conform with the ideology. I was amused that my assertion of religion in the context of mmgw was echoed by a anthropologist.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dude
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Posted - 06/13/2007 : 23:40:06 [Permalink]
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I was amused that my assertion of religion in the context of mmgw was echoed by a anthropologist.
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Retard, Crichton is not an anthropologist. No matter how many times you say it, he will never be anything more than a sci-fi writer. His scientific credentials are in public policy research, and I find no actual scientific publication with his name attached in the last 20 years.
Teaching an undergrad anthopology class does not make anyone an anthropologist. If you actually had an education, you'd comprehend that.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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Ghost_Skeptic
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 Posted - 06/14/2007 : 00:42:25 [Permalink]
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I am waiting for him to discover that the first and second laws of thermodynamics are a hoax perpetrated by "Big Oil" to prevent the development of free energy from water.   |
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. / You can send a kid to college but you can't make him think." - B.B. King
History is made by stupid people - The Arrogant Worms
"The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism." - William Osler
"Religion is the natural home of the psychopath" - Pat Condell
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter" - Thomas Jefferson |
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moakley
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 04:54:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Now that a scientist has made the assertion, one much take it as fact. |
Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!
So since Michael Behe (PhD scientist in biochemistry) has made the assertion that Evolutionary theory cannot explain the biological diversity we see, you, Jerome, must now take Intelligent Design as fact.
Since Linus Pauling (Nobel-winning scientist in Chemistry) made the assertion that massive doses of Vitamin C can cure cancer, you, Jerome, must now take orthomolecular medicine as fact.
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How about Dr. Frank Tipler (professor of mathematical physics at Tulane University) author of The Physics of Christianity and The Physics of Immortality, you, Jerome, must now take physics as proof for god as fact. |
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Starman
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 05:37:59 [Permalink]
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| Now that a scientist has made the assertion, one much take it as fact. |
Yea, that is a mind-numbingly stupid statement.
Heres another : Jonathan "Socrates" Sarfati has a PhD (super conductor chemistry) so it is a fact that the world is only 6000 years old.
What is this? Some runaway fallacy-bot or am I late for some fallacy bingo?
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perrodetokio
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 06:58:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Perrodetokio said "How about "Being republican is a religion" or "the religion of republicanism".
I am neither republican nor religious. Your bias shows in your failed attempt at insult.
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It was not an insult directed to your person, Jernome.
It's just that this "global warming a religion", "Darwinism is a religion", "whatever you want to discredit is a religion" is getting on my nerves.
Soooo, I am not biased, at least not towards you.
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"They are still mosquitoes! They did not turn into whales or lizards or anything else. They are still mosquitoes!..." Bill Scott
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Randi and Global Warming
