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pleco
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 Posted - 04/03/2007 : 18:25:43
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Read the latest BullShit to attempt to slime its way through the Alabama Legislature:
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This bill would designate the first scholastic week in November each year as Christian Heritage Week in public K-12 schools and would require daily instruction during that week on the influence of Christianity on the history and heritage of the United States.
This bill would also require the State Department of Education to promulgate any necessary rules.
More hilarity ensues:
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The basic laws of our republic, as well as our general civil and criminal laws, are related to Christian concepts of a representative form of government, the rule of law, the equality of man, and personal liberty.
Where in the bible is a representative form of government or equality of man espoused? Or personal liberty? Anyone care to take a guess?
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The individual liberties and freedoms America has are based on Christian principles and freedom sought by founders who left the Old World to avoid religious persecution.
Yeah, by other Christians!
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Many historical events are directly related to Christian principles. For example, when America suffered with the abomination of slavery, the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution was passed in 1868 removing this blight on American history...
How this can be said with a straight face is beyond me.
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Edited by - pleco on 04/03/2007 18:28:55
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/03/2007 : 18:29:21 [Permalink]
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Oh, I'm sure this week will be used to teach just the facts. Like the time Texas decided to teach to the bible as "literature" and instructors ended up telling children everything in the bible literally happened. Or is Texas still doing that? Come to think of it, I never heard they were forced to stop.
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Randy
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Posted - 04/03/2007 : 18:29:25 [Permalink]
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| Those fundie fuckers....they're like a festering boil on humanity's butt. |
"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Randy
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 Posted - 04/03/2007 : 18:34:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Oh, I'm sure this week will be used to teach just the facts. Like the time Texas decided to teach to the bible as literature and instructors ended up telling children everything in the bible literally happened. Or is Texas still doing that? Come to think of it, I never heard they were forced to stop.
Well H., speaking of the devil, look what just coughed up in today's Austin Statesman news....
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories//04/04//4bible.html
"The class must be taught in an objective and nondevotional manner, Chisum's proposal says."
Yeah sure, fat chance that'll happen. |
"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 04/03/2007 : 18:57:57 [Permalink]
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The best part is this (with emphasis added): quote:
Nothing in this act shall be construed to require public school teachers, administrators, or employees to teach religion, proselytize, or require any student to subscribe to any religion, or religious faith, doctrine, tenet, principle, or belief. Nothing in this act shall be construed as promoting any religion, or religious faith, doctrine, tenet, principle, or belief, or discriminating against or inhibiting any religion, or religious faith, doctrine, tenet, principle, or belief, or promoting or discriminating against religion or non-religion
Riiiight. So no one should take it to mean that you're required to teach that Jesus is lord (but you can!). Better is the second part. It's akin to saying "the act of me holding a gun to your head, demanding and then taking your money shall not be construed as robbery," even if it is. |
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Jumbo
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 03:07:15 [Permalink]
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quote:Many historical events are directly related to Christian principles. For example, when America suffered with the abomination of slavery, the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution was passed in 1868 removing this blight on American history...
How this can be said with a straight face is beyond me.
I may be wrong here but wasnt Independance declared in about 1776 (when it was actually gained depends on your point of view a bit iirc)
Slaverys abolishion (already abolished in the Nation Independance was gained from) occured in 1868.
If the US truly was/is a Christian Nation and Abolishion is an example of Christian principles then i can only conclude that Christian principles take about 92 years before they come into effect! |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 04/04/2007 : 05:27:13 [Permalink]
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I rather suspect that what we have here is Moe, Larry, and Curly Representatives Galliher, Ward and Hill sucking up to their political base. I don't think it'll fly, not even in Alabama.
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pleco
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 07:05:50 [Permalink]
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Well, I did my civic and moral duty and shot an email off to the legislators that have email addresses (yes, a couple don't) that are on the Education committee.
I'm sure that email will be summarily deleted by more than one intern, but hopefully enough people in the state will raise their collective voice and this bill will be quashed. |
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Orwellingly Yurz
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 19:27:24 [Permalink]
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YO: Having been a "practicing" Unitarian-Universalist for many years now, it never ceases to amaze me how the authoritarian evangelical "Christians" want to make this nation like it was for those who fled England and then established the USA. It's a simple case of not seeing the forest because of the (super-fundie) trees. Or as someone once wrote, "Forever missing the fucking point." I added the fucking part because I'm so damned tired of hearing about this anti-First Amendment crap that stems from mindlessness, fear and guilt!
Christianity is an important part of this nation's culture, so are some other religions. Just ask the American who believes in one of the others. But, and I would guess most who surf these hallowed spaces of cyber agree, what has made us last and made us good is that we can choose HOW to worship, or NOT worship. The option of having any religion you wish, or not having one, if you wish is the essence of the religion component of the First Amendment. Without it, religion will evolve(Whoops, excuse me for using that word.)into vapid meaninglessness. I would suggest that some religions have already done just that.
The fact that Christianity and "Christianity" have evolved and grown so much is precisely because our form of government has not meddled in the growth of either. Now, both Christianity and "Christianity" should wake-the-fuck-up and realize THAT, and stop scaring people who see the world differently and want to live their lives with another expression of faith or even irreligiously---all of it, of course, within the laws a liberal democracy.
One of the quickiest ways for that to happen would be to respect another person's right as to how and what to believe or not to believe. Super-fundies are not long on toleration, just as I guess I have trouble looking at the ugly face of intolerance.
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 04/07/2007 : 22:37:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Read the latest BullShit to attempt to slime its way through the Alabama Legislature:
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More hilarity ensues:
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Many historical events are directly related to Christian principles. For example, when America suffered with the abomination of slavery, the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution was passed in 1868 removing this blight on American history...
How this can be said with a straight face is beyond me.
Especially if those pushing this bullshit are Southern Baptists (The Southern Bastards split from the regular Baptists when the latter opposed slavery. I get pissed off at these hypochristians every time I drive by their Cochrane semen airy on my way to town. |
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. / You can send a kid to college but you can't make him think." - B.B. King
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/08/2007 : 14:30:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
The best part is this (with emphasis added): quote:
Nothing in this act shall be construed to require public school teachers, administrators, or employees to teach religion, proselytize, or require any student to subscribe to any religion, or religious faith, doctrine, tenet, principle, or belief. Nothing in this act shall be construed as promoting any religion, or religious faith, doctrine, tenet, principle, or belief, or discriminating against or inhibiting any religion, or religious faith, doctrine, tenet, principle, or belief, or promoting or discriminating against religion or non-religion
Riiiight. So no one should take it to mean that you're required to teach that Jesus is lord (but you can!). Better is the second part. It's akin to saying "the act of me holding a gun to your head, demanding and then taking your money shall not be construed as robbery," even if it is.
I think even worse will be coating this stuff with "fact" paint. "Monotheism" is superior, the others are myths; Jesus is the religion of good, yadda yadda. |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2007 : 18:33:43 [Permalink]
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I received the following email from Quinton Ross, a senator from the Montgomery District.
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Thank you for your comments and concerns. I saw this bill for what it was in committee last week. I thoroughly questioned its intent. Several of my colleagues joined me, the bill was carried over. Should this bill ever come up for a vote, I will vote against it.
Thanks again!
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2007 : 21:36:17 [Permalink]
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| That's encouraging. It sounds like an individual response instead of one of those auto message received responses. |
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