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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
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Posted - 04/05/2007 :  14:38:14  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A recent Gallup poll shows that Americans are more likely to support just about anyone besides an atheist in a hypothetical election. They show up with 45% support, ten points behind a homosexual, and they were the only group to have more than 50% say they' definitely vote no for them.

*Sigh* Perhaps one day...

Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 04/05/2007 :  16:27:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Groucho Marx once said, “I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member".

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 04/05/2007 :  18:17:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kil

Groucho Marx once said, “I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member".

Good old Groucho. Only thing is (as I recall it), this was a kind of sour grapes statement, as he'd just been turned down for membership in a country club due to its anti-Semitic "restrictions." As an atheist, I want into the club of "acceptable" Americans, and I'm willing to break down the door if I must.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 04/06/2007 00:31:18
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 04/05/2007 :  21:23:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote

quote:
Mooner:
Good old Groucho. Only thing is(as I recall it), this was a kind of sour grapes statement, as he'd just been turned down for membership in a country club due to its anti-Semitic "restrictions."


Actually, besides being a classic example of self deprecating humor, the quote comes from a telegram that Groucho sent to the Friar's Club of Beverly Hills, because Groucho didn't really want to be a member. (And really, the Friar's Club has plenty of jewish members.) I thought the quote was fitting given what a bunch of reprobates most politicians are…

From: The Original Function of Groucho Marx's Resignation Joke

quote:

One of the all-time classics of self-disparaging humor is Groucho Marx's famous telegram. In reconstructing the situation in which the comedian actually used the telegram, I will try to show in a kind of "case study" of the joke, that the last thing on Groucho's mind was any concern with his own failings as a human being…

…The other account we have was written by the comedian himself in the autobiography that was published in 1959. Much unpleasantness had apparently been omitted from the earlier record, perhaps out of discretion, in order to avoid offending anyone, or because any public criticism leveled at the club had to come from Groucho himself, and not his son. And even here, Groucho took the precaution of withholding the name of the club, which appears under the same alias ("Delaney") that is jokingly applied to a number of parties portrayed in the autobiography in an unfavorable light.

Groucho begins by telling of his general aversion for clubs, and this is consistent with the earlier description in his son's book, though here the aversion is concretized to a fuller extent:

I'm not a particularly gregarious fellow. If anything, I suppose I'm a bit on the misanthropic side. I've tried being a jolly good club member, but after a month or so my mouth always aches from baring my teeth in a false smile. The pseudo-friendliness, the limp handshake and the extra firm handshake (both of which should be abolished by the Health Department), are not for me. This also goes for the hearty slap-on-the-back and the all-around, general clap-trap that you are subjected to from the All-American bores which you would instantly flee from if you weren't trapped in a clubhouse. (G. Marx, 1959: 320)

In the remainder of his account, specific grievances Groucho had against the Friar's Club (alias "Delaney Club") come to light:

Some years ago, after considerable urging, I consented to join a prominent theatrical organization. By an odd coincidence, it was called the Delaney Club. Here, I thought, within these hallowed walls of Thespis, we would sit of an evening with our Napoleon brandies and long-stemmed pipes and discuss Chaucer, Charles Lamb, Ruskin, Voltaire, Booth, the Barrymores, Duse, Shakespeare, Bernhardt and all the other legendary figures of the theatre and literature. The first night I went there, I found thirty-two fellows playing gin rummy with marked cards, five members shooting loaded dice on a suspiciously bumpy carpet and four members in separate phone booths calling women who were other members' wives.

A few nights later the club had a banquet. I don't clearly remember what the occasion was. I think it was to honor one of the members who had successfully managed to evade the police for over a year. The dining tables were long and narrow, and unless you arrived around three in the afternoon you had no control over who your dinner companion was going to be. That particular night I was sitting next to a bar

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

Genetic Literacy Project
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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 04/06/2007 :  00:33:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kil


quote:
Mooner:
Good old Groucho. Only thing is(as I recall it), this was a kind of sour grapes statement, as he'd just been turned down for membership in a country club due to its anti-Semitic "restrictions."


Actually, besides being a classic example of self deprecating humor, the quote comes from a telegram that Groucho sent to the Friar's Club of Beverly Hills, because Groucho didn't really want to be a member. (And really, the Friar's Club has plenty of jewish members.) I thought the quote was fitting given what a bunch of reprobates most politicians are…

From: The Original Function of Groucho Marx's Resignation Joke

quote:

One of the all-time classics of self-disparaging humor is Groucho Marx's famous telegram. In reconstructing the situation in which the comedian actually used the telegram, I will try to show in a kind of "case study" of the joke, that the last thing on Groucho's mind was any concern with his own failings as a human being…

…The other account we have was written by the comedian himself in the autobiography that was published in 1959. Much unpleasantness had apparently been omitted from the earlier record, perhaps out of discretion, in order to avoid offending anyone, or because any public criticism leveled at the club had to come from Groucho himself, and not his son. And even here, Groucho took the precaution of withholding the name of the club, which appears under the same alias ("Delaney") that is jokingly applied to a number of parties portrayed in the autobiography in an unfavorable light.

Groucho begins by telling of his general aversion for clubs, and this is consistent with the earlier description in his son's book, though here the aversion is concretized to a fuller extent:

I'm not a particularly gregarious fellow. If anything, I suppose I'm a bit on the misanthropic side. I've tried being a jolly good club member, but after a month or so my mouth always aches from baring my teeth in a false smile. The pseudo-friendliness, the limp handshake and the extra firm handshake (both of which should be abolished by the Health Department), are not for me. This also goes for the hearty slap-on-the-back and the all-around, general clap-trap that you are subjected to from the All-American bores which you would instantly flee from if you weren't trapped in a clubhouse. (G. Marx, 1959: 320)

In the remainder of his account, specific grievances Groucho had against the Friar's Club (alias "Delaney Club") come to light:

Some years ago, after considerable urging, I consented to join a prominent theatrical organization. By an odd coincidence, it was called the Delaney Club. Here, I thought, within these hallowed walls of Thespis, we would sit of an evening with our Napoleon brandies and long-stemmed pipes and discuss Chaucer, Charles Lamb, Ruskin, Voltaire, Booth, the Barrymores, Duse, Shakespeare, Bernhardt and all the other legendary figures of the theatre and literature. The first night I went there, I found thirty-two fellows playing gin rummy with marked cards, five members shooting loaded dice on a suspiciously bumpy carpet and four members in separate phone booths calling women who were other members' wives.

A few nights later the club had a banquet. I don't clearly remember what the occasion was. I think it was to honor one of the members who had successfully managed to evade the police for over a year. The dining tables were long and narrow, and

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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