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perrodetokio
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 Posted - 04/19/2007 : 10:31:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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[i]Originally posted by [b]perrodetokio[/b
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I don't like G.W. Bush, but if he began giving speeches about how bad global warming is and what to do to combat it, that would not make me discard the issue just because he's a hypocrite.
Then why is Al Gore and John Travolta given a free pass?
I donīt know about other people, but I havenīt given either of them a free-pass.
I think that voting politicians just because of their alignment is not very smart. There are corrupt politicians in all parties, and sometimes the left resembles the right and vice versa. I do not think in terms of black and white.
I strive to be as objective as I can and skepticism is a good tool for doing that. If I donīt like Bush itīs not because heīs "Republican" or because of his religious beliefs, itīs because of things heīs done or allowed to happen, or things he hasnīt done.
The thing is that global warming due to man made pollution seems very real according to almost all data collected, so thatīs why I donīt dismiss Al Goreīs claims about it.
Now, if weīre going to discuss other aspects of Al Goreīs way of doing politics then we can start another forum about it.
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perrodetokio
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 10:41:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Here's a thought: quote:
Scientist says cremation should meet a timely death
Published: Wednesday April 18, 2007
An Australian scientist called Wednesday for an end to the age-old tradition of cremation, saying the practice contributed to global warming.
Professor Roger Short said people could instead choose to help the environment after death by being buried in a cardboard box under a tree.
The decomposing bodies would provide the tree with nutrients, and the tree would convert carbon dioxide into life-giving oxygen for decades, he said.
"The important thing is, what a shame to be cremated when you go up in a big bubble of carbon dioxide," Short told AFP.
Man's got a point -- every little bit helps.....
Thatīs a lovely way to be buried: under a tree. However I would add that perhaps without the cardboard box and naked is an even better way. Then my friends and family can come and have a picnic under that tree which my decaying body is providing with nutrients instead of visiting my grave in a ugly and gloomy, traditional graveyard. |
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Dave W.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 13:31:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by perrodetokio
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I donīt know about other people, but I havenīt given either of them a free-pass.
While that may be true many in the MMGW camp have.
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I think that voting politicians just because of their alignment is not very smart.
Huh?
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There are corrupt politicians in all parties, and sometimes the left resembles the right and vice versa.
Agreed.
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I do not think in terms of black and white.
I am working on that.
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I strive to be as objective as I can and skepticism is a good tool for doing that. If I donīt like Bush itīs not because heīs "Republican" or because of his religious beliefs, itīs because of things heīs done or allowed to happen, or things he hasnīt done.
Fair enough.
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The thing is that global warming due to man made pollution seems very real according to almost all data collected, so thatīs why I donīt dismiss Al Goreīs claims about it.
I guess my point being that Al Gore and his preaching of MMGW to the masses, IMO, is causing a rift between conservatives and liberals on a subject where, if you get to the core of it, I don't believe our goals are much different from each others. For whatever reason MMGW, and some of the people that promote and push the theory, are a hot button and a divisive catalyst to many who would still consider themselves environmentalist, or at least concerned for the environment. Like I said previously, if the search for affordable green energy is pushed for the cause of clean air, clean water, and the end to middle east oil dependency, and nothing of MMGW is mentioned, or even if it were disproved tomorrow, I am willing to wager that most conservatives are all for cleaner air, cleaner water, and relief from foreign oil dependency and would be right on board with you.
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Now, if weīre going to discuss other aspects of Al Goreīs way of doing politics then we can start another forum about it.
No thanks.
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Cheers
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Hawks
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 14:53:17 [Permalink]
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Personally, I think it's finally giving an use to liposuction clinics...
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perrodetokio
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 15:10:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Don't let Dane Cook know you're one of the tree feeders.
Ha, ha, ha, ha! Thatīs a quite funny comedian. I did not know that guy.
Actually, in Argentina we say "Salud" when someone sneezes (or when making a toast) which means "health to you". However, when I was living in England or the US, I used to say "Bless you" just because thatīs what I was thought you were supposed to say (english is not my first language) and I would have reacted very similar to this guy if someone responded to me like in the sketch since I donīt care very much for condescending people (be them atheists or religious).
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Kil
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 16:36:40 [Permalink]
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| Dane Cook almost sounds smart, doesn't he? Almost... |
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JohnOAS
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 18:36:28 [Permalink]
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Dane Cook almost sounds smart, doesn't he? Almost...
Yeah, what's his angle? The 30 second+ long screaming crowd response following on from the bible printing joke made me wonder whether it was a comedy show, Amway reunion or some religious love-in.
I read his wikipedia article, and it mentions his Roman Catholic upbringing, but doesn't make him seem particularly evangelical.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 19:02:28 [Permalink]
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Yeah, what's his angle? The 30 second+ long screaming crowd response following on from the bible printing joke made me wonder whether it was a comedy show, Amway reunion or some religious love-in.
I read his wikipedia article, and it mentions his Roman Catholic upbringing, but doesn't make him seem particularly evangelical.
I'd never heard of him before this.
Personally, I think Dane Cook just realizes that pandering to the religious and playing off their ignorant sterotypes of atheists is good business and fills seats. The part that sickened me when I first watched the clip was when a woman in the audience stood up and applauded upon hearing how he insulted the "uppity" atheist. And why not? It's the last minority one can ridicule in America without opposition.
Meanwhile, if that's a true story, I'll eat my hat. Cook's characterization of an atheist rings about as true as a Chick Tract.
Needless to say, I find Dane Cook to be an unfunny ass.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 19:04:01 [Permalink]
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Dude
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Posted - 04/19/2007 : 21:30:14 [Permalink]
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I have never found Dane Cook to be particularly funny. He has moments, but he is mostly boring IMO.
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marfknox
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Posted - 04/20/2007 : 03:38:03 [Permalink]
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Bill wrote: quote:
I guess my point being that Al Gore and his preaching of MMGW to the masses, IMO, is causing a rift between conservatives and liberals on a subject where, if you get to the core of it, I don't believe our goals are much different from each others. For whatever reason MMGW, and some of the people that promote and push the theory, are a hot button and a divisive catalyst to many who would still consider themselves environmentalist, or at least concerned for the environment.
Explain this one for me, will ya? Because Al Gore the politician has always been a centrist, not a hard Leftist. He is a business man and his views on economic issues lean only slightly left. Although his little-rich-boy status got him out of any actual combat, he at least served more in in the military than Bush did, including being in Vietnam. When he ran for president he supported some faith-based programs, he only supports partner benefits for gay couples, not gay "marriage", and he doesn't oppose the drug war. I could go on, but my point, I hope, is clear. The guy is a moderate Democrat, so why should he be a hot button with average conservatives?
Edited to add: I think it is also telling that the most common criticisms of him during his Presidential run were that he was a liar (the whole "I invented the Internet and such...") - as if there wasn't anything conservatives could really point to on Gore's record to tear him down to voters. |
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filthy
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 Posted - 04/20/2007 : 03:55:24 [Permalink]
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I think that it is because he is an intelligent, moderate democrat as was his former boss, and many conservatives just can't stand that.
From casual reading over the last few years, it looks to me like precious few Republicans in our current administration, and Congress, served in the military at all. As I recall, the swine Cheney, who had better things to do, maneged to wrangle some 5 draft deferments.
And before anyone starts squalling about Clinton's initial draft-dodging, read up on it first: he later signed up but caught a lucky number.
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Rubicon95
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Posted - 04/20/2007 : 08:46:25 [Permalink]
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Gore never claimed to have been in combat but according to what I have read of him, he was not lounging back Saigon with a typewriter. He was "over there" where there was shooting...not over here..shooting pool
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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/20/2007 : 13:12:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
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Explain this one for me, will ya?
I'll try.
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Because Al Gore the politician has always been a centrist, not a hard Leftist.
He is a business man
his little-rich-boy status got him out of any actual combat,
When he ran for president he supported some faith-based programs,
he only supports partner benefits for gay couples, not gay "marriage",
and he doesn't oppose the drug war.
I could go on, but my point, I hope, is clear. The guy is a moderate Democrat, so why should he be a hot button with average conservatives?
I am just here to tell that, for whatever reason, he is. And all those bullet points you just listed could be applied to GWB as well so it appears they have much in common. As a conservative I consider Bush more of a moderate to liberal Republican, at least fiscally.
Again, my point being, why let Al Gore, who fly's around in his private jet and maintains a private mansion, all while preaching personal sacrifice to the folks, be the lead spokesman on the MMGW issue, when all he does is create controversy and political issues? What is the main goal of the MMGW crowd? From what I can tell the main goal is to produce affordable green energy that will allow us to ease, if not eliminate, our lust for fossil fuels as the main energy source. Push clean air and water, push an elimination to middle east oil, push the fact that China has 544 new coal fired power plants in the works as your reason for the need for green energy. As a conservative I would wager that most other conservatives would join you side by side if this was the bill of goods that you sold to them, rather then Al leapfrogging the country in his gulfstream and making science-fiction movies.
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Edited to add: I think it is also telling that the most common criticisms of him during his Presidential run were that he was a liar (the whole "I invented the Internet and such...") - as if there wasn't anything conservatives could really point to on Gore's record to tear him down to voters.
Noted.
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Political hacks water down global warming report
