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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 16:26:25
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...., and I knew it all along. Mmmm, chicken -- BIG chicken!
The link between bird and dinosaur becomes more clear with DNA studies of the 68myo soft tissue discovered in a fossil T. rex bone by Mary Schweitzer. quote: Researchers Decode T Rex Genetic Material
Apr 12, 2:00 PM (ET)
By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID WASHINGTON (AP) - Researchers have decoded genetic material from a 68 million-year-old Tyrannosaurus rex, an unprecedented step once thought impossible.
"The door just opens up to a whole avenue of research that involves anything extinct," said Matthew T. Carrano, curator of dinosaurs at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History.
And, the new finding adds weight to the idea that today's birds are descendants of dinosaurs.
While dinosaur bones have long been studied, "it's always been assumed that preservation does not extend to the cellular or molecular level," said Mary Higby Schweitzer of North Carolina State University.
It had been thought that some proteins could last a million years or more, but not to the age of the dinosaurs, she said.
So, when she was able to recover soft tissue from a T. rex bone found in Montana in 2003 she was surprised, Schweitzer said.
And now, researchers led by John M. Asara of Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston have been able to analyze proteins from that bone.
I await, a little less than eagerly because I could probably write it almost verbatim myself, AiG's imaginitive response.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 16:30:53 [Permalink]
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To AiG, what's the big deal about this? So some proteins from a 4-6,000 year old dragon have been recovered. Just goes to prove the Bible was right.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 14:17:48 [Permalink]
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Why wait?quote: The thigh bone was in the news again yesterday, but this time in an attempt to boost the evolution belief system. The analysis of proteins extracted from the T. rex is being used to show an evolutionary link between dinosaurs and chickens—that dinosaurs eventually evolved into birds (as is now commonly taught as fact in textbooks and science museums).
On this website tomorrow (in our regular weekend feature called News to Note), we will have more to say about this evolutionary claim. In addition, after consulting the original research into the protein comparison, we hope to say even more next week.
For the moment, let's not ignore the importance of what has been found (and as will be declared in the soon-to-open Creation Museum): finding T. rex soft tissue is compelling evidence that it was not 65 million years ago that dinosaurs died out, as given on the evolutionary timeline. Furthermore, if dinosaurs have been roaming the earth in relatively recent times, there would have been virtually no time, for example, for the supposed evolution of reptilian scales into intricate feathers.
Indeed, this T. rex fossil provides wonderful circumstantial evidence to support the biblical chronology of a young earth. Additionally, creationists already know that birds were created before dinosaurs: on days 5 and 6 respectively of creation week.
Twisting, twisting, twisting..... |
Edited by - beskeptigal on 04/13/2007 14:18:38 |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 14:58:24 [Permalink]
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Same ol', same ol'...... Sad.
What is at least as sad is that they never propose any science of their own; all they ever do is react to the work of others. Heh, there is a pretty good conjecture out there. It sez that if you take away their funny book, they will be struck dumb.
Anybody wanna go on a Bible raid?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Vegeta
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 18:54:12 [Permalink]
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Sometimes I like to play devil's advocate and think of creationist arguments.
I would've said the cells were still preserved because the bone was clearly not 65 million years old, but much younger. Then gone on to illustrate this 'surprise' as another gap in sceintific knowledge and another reason why evolution is just a theory which should be critically considered.
seems weird to me they're too stupid to even latch onto this argument |
What are you looking at? Haven't you ever seen a pink shirt before?
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 19:03:43 [Permalink]
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quote: Originally posted by beskeptigal
Why wait?quote: The thigh bone was in the news again yesterday, but this time in an attempt to boost the evolution belief system. The analysis of proteins extracted from the T. rex is being used to show an evolutionary link between dinosaurs and chickens—that dinosaurs eventually evolved into birds (as is now commonly taught as fact in textbooks and science museums).
On this website tomorrow (in our regular weekend feature called News to Note), we will have more to say about this evolutionary claim. In addition, after consulting the original research into the protein comparison, we hope to say even more next week.
For the moment, let's not ignore the importance of what has been found (and as will be declared in the soon-to-open Creation Museum): finding T. rex soft tissue is compelling evidence that it was not 65 million years ago that dinosaurs died out, as given on the evolutionary timeline. Furthermore, if dinosaurs have been roaming the earth in relatively recent times, there would have been virtually no time, for example, for the supposed evolution of reptilian scales into intricate feathers.
Indeed, this T. rex fossil provides wonderful circumstantial evidence to support the biblical chronology of a young earth. Additionally, creationists already know that birds were created before dinosaurs: on days 5 and 6 respectively of creation week.
Twisting, twisting, twisting.....
I outta sue AiG for plagiarism! They published my own ideas posted here, just a day after I posted 'em.
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 04/14/2007 07:14:44 |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 19:24:57 [Permalink]
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Guess what folks? Courtesy of Delphi_ote from JREFquote: I'm going to say this once and only once. It will be in large text to make this fact very cear.
IT WAS NOT DNA!
It was a very short fragment of a very common protein. Do not let this myth about DNA spread. It's everywhere I go and it's giving me a headache. The paper is interesting enough without all this nonsense about sequencing DNA from fossils.
Here's what the news article says after inaccurately reporting "genetic material" in the first paragraph:
quote: In refining the technique, he had previously studied proteins from a mastodon, and when he heard of Schweitzer's finding soft tissues in a T. rex bone he decided to see if he could detect proteins there also.
He was able to identify seven different dinosaur proteins from the bone and compared them with proteins from living species. Three matched chickens, two matched several species including chickens, one matched a protein from a newt and the other from a frog.
I hear frog legs taste like chicken too.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 02:41:41 [Permalink]
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They do, at least pretty close. So does snake and iguana.
And why should they not? All are related at a fundemental level. Sawbill ducks, however, taste like rancid fish so you can't use taste as a definitive identification method....
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 07:26:22 [Permalink]
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quote: Originally posted by filthy
They do, at least pretty close. So does snake and iguana.
And why should they not? All are related at a fundemental level. Sawbill ducks, however, taste like rancid fish so you can't use taste as a definitive identification method....
So, the old saying, “you are what you eat” should be amended at times to say “you taste like what you eat”. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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