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Dave W.
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 Posted - 05/09/2007 : 09:18:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Because I do not have the confirmation bias that you guys do.
You've already demonstrated your confirmation bias by refusing to even acknowledge that there is evidence that contradicts your preferred conclusion.quote:
If that report has proper reasonable evidence to back it up I will accept it. Trouble is, it wont.
And those two sentences are you setting up your confirmation bias for the forthcoming report.
Has the U.S. Government ever come to any conclusion with which you disagree but for which you agree that they have presented "proper reasonable evidence?"
By the way, where is your own "proper reasonable evidence" regarding your statements of fact regarding the collapse of WTC 7? |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 09:29:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob
Because I do not have the confirmation bias that you guys do.
You've already demonstrated your confirmation bias by refusing to even acknowledge that there is evidence that contradicts your preferred conclusion.quote:
If that report has proper reasonable evidence to back it up I will accept it. Trouble is, it wont.
And those two sentences are you setting up your confirmation bias for the forthcoming report.
Has the U.S. Government ever come to any conclusion with which you disagree but for which you agree that they have presented "proper reasonable evidence?"
By the way, where is your own "proper reasonable evidence" regarding your statements of fact regarding the collapse of WTC 7?
All the evidence has been presented. If you choose to discount it thats your problem. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Dave W.
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 09:40:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
"It looks just like a controlled demolition" is not evidence that it was a controlled demolition.
But that isnt all the evidence thats been presented here. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 09:57:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
"It looks just like a controlled demolition" is not evidence that it was a controlled demolition.
But that isnt all the evidence thats been presented here.
But other evidence put forward by SilentKoala, for instance, is entirely untenable. The notion that the BBC reporting about the collapse of the building before it collapsed is somehow proof of an "inside job" is mind-bogglingly illogical. The "pull it" argument is similarly flawed. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 10:10:57 [Permalink]
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| Really? What else was there? Let's see... You were unable to rebut the evidence that the explosion wasn't symmetrical (not that that claim was evidence, anyway), and you never explained how the collapse time was supposed to be evidence, either. What other "proper reasonable evidence" was there? Oh, Singh - who didn't know what people meant. And there was pronoun trouble over the phrase "pull it." What am I missing? I know I must have missed something, because you're now implying that you've presented "proper reasonable evidence" here. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 10:22:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Really? What else was there? Let's see... You were unable to rebut the evidence that the explosion wasn't symmetrical (not that that claim was evidence, anyway), and you never explained how the collapse time was supposed to be evidence, either. What other "proper reasonable evidence" was there? Oh, Singh - who didn't know what people meant. And there was pronoun trouble over the phrase "pull it." What am I missing? I know I must have missed something, because you're now implying that you've presented "proper reasonable evidence" here.
So what would qualify as solid evidence for you? |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 11:08:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
So what would qualify as solid evidence for you?
That's no longer the point. That you think anything you've presented so far is "proper reasonable evidence" is now the point. It's quite obvious that you're holding yourself to a much lower standard than you hold the U.S. government, which is just a symptom of your confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
Things would have been different, for example, had you been able to provide support for your assertion that only controlled demolitions exhibit the characteristics that the WTC 7 collapse showed, but when asked for more information about that, you just clammed up and refused to discuss it. [Shrug] It's quite obvious, from reading your posts at the LC forum, that you really, really want to be evangelical about "The Truth," but you'll never be any good at it unless you've got ready answers for the simplest questions. And you'll continue to be piss-poor at these sorts of missionary actions until you can either develop or remember some good apologetics. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 11:43:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
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Originally posted by j911ob
So what would qualify as solid evidence for you?
That's no longer the point. That you think anything you've presented so far is "proper reasonable evidence" is now the point. It's quite obvious that you're holding yourself to a much lower standard than you hold the U.S. government, which is just a symptom of your confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.
Things would have been different, for example, had you been able to provide support for your assertion that only controlled demolitions exhibit the characteristics that the WTC 7 collapse showed, but when asked for more information about that, you just clammed up and refused to discuss it. [Shrug] It's quite obvious, from reading your posts at the LC forum, that you really, really want to be evangelical about "The Truth," but you'll never be any good at it unless you've got ready answers for the simplest questions. And you'll continue to be piss-poor at these sorts of missionary actions until you can either develop or remember some good apologetics.
Your evasion of the question has been duly noted. Thankyou for so publically admitting the unfalsifiability of your beliefs. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 11:50:44 [Permalink]
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| DaveW, seeing as you have been obsessively monitoring me at LC, perhaps you would like to point out what I have gotten wrong there. In fact why dont you leave your cotton wool cocooned comfort zone of self congratulatory skeptics and join our forum. I am happy to stay here. Do you have the guts to go over there? |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 12:00:47 [Permalink]
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Because I do not have the confirmation bias that you guys do. If that report has proper reasonable evidence to back it up I will accept it. Trouble is, it wont.
<POP!> Ouch... my poor irony gland.. you guys are killing me.
Yeah, not a bit of confirmation bias on your part is there.
RE WTC7:
A building fully engaged in flame (fires on every floor), with a visible bulge on one side, and a 20 story gash (the lower 20 stories) on the south side. Where do explosives come into play here? For one, no modern explosive is going to remain viable in such an inferno. They melt or burn at fairly low temps. Second, the needed det cords are primarily plastic, which melts at very low temp.
So much for controlled demolition of WTC7. You'd have to be delusional to believe that such a thing was possible even if there was some conspiracy to do it.
Same for WTC 1&2. The collapse of those buildings initiate at the plane impact sites. Where there are obvious fires. No plastic explosive or detonation cord is going to remain intact in that fire.
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 12:50:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob...
Yeah and what about crimes that dont involve forensic evidence?
Like the conspiracy involving the controlled demolition of WTC 7, for example?
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j911ob
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 13:00:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
quote:
Originally posted by j911ob...
Yeah and what about crimes that dont involve forensic evidence?
Like the conspiracy involving the controlled demolition of WTC 7, for example?
Doctor Jones has found thermite in the dust. The steel is not available to be analysed due to the illegal removal of debris from the crime scene. |
"Any pressurized can exposed to heat will explode like a grenade. Even a sealed bag of potato chips, if not melted by direct flame, can 'pop' with quite a report." - Kookbreaker at JREF, responding to reports of explosions in the towers. |
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/09/2007 : 13:07:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob...
Yeah and what about crimes that dont involve forensic evidence?
Do you consider a conspiracy involving the controlled demolition of WTC 7 to be an example of a crime that doesn't involve forensic evidence?
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 13:10:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by j911ob
Your evasion of the question has been duly noted. Thankyou for so publically admitting the unfalsifiability of your beliefs.
Since when has this been about my beliefs? Besides, I gave you an example in answer to your question, and you've simply ignored it, demonstrating your dogmatic adherence to nonsense and irrationality.
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DaveW, seeing as you have been obsessively monitoring me at LC...
I've looked at the thread you linked to, and I stumbled across the thread in which you ridicule the JREF guy from whom you got your sig. That you think that's "obsessively monitoring" you just tells me that you've got an ego the size of Russia.quote:
...perhaps you would like to point out what I have gotten wrong there.
Don't know that you've gotten anything "wrong." Would you like to point out something you've said in particular over there?quote:
In fact why dont you leave your cotton wool cocooned comfort zone of self congratulatory skeptics and join our forum. I am happy to stay here. Do you have the guts to go over there?
Ah, a good, old-fashioned playground challenge. What would change about our discussion were I to post over there? |
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